TheGrandNagus

It literally is. It's part of the KDE Plasma desktop. It comes preinstalled.

The Vim, nano command line text editors also being there doesn't mean Kate isn't an OS app.

Would you say the Dolphin file explorer isn't an OS/system app on the basis that you can use commands like cd, mv, cp, pwd in terminal? Because I certainly wouldn't.

Indeed. That's what I do on my Plasma system, it's a good option.

But a new user or someone who isn't technical won't see that, they don't go digging through settings in each app, they just use the defaults.

I guess a solid compromise would be to enable this by default, and anybody who doesn't like that short descriptor can disable it.

But IMO nothing will beat the no-nonsense straightforwardness of calling OS apps immediately intuitive names. This is something I believe Gnome gets right. Go onto their GitHub and their file manager is called Nautilus, but on your system it will default to being called "Files", because they know everyone will understand what "Files" is but a lot of people would ask "Wtf is Nautilus??", same goes for other apps, e.g. "Loupe" appearing as "Image Viewer".

Programs that we think of as being part of the OS, such as the included text editor, is a very different thing to something like Steam, imo.

Steam isn't preinstalled on your PC, it's not a core part of your desktop OS. You download Steam yourself, so you'd only do it once you already know what it is.

Third party apps kinda need unique names and branding like that to distinguish themselves.

A newbie won't know what "Kate" or "Okular" do. They might know what "Dolphin" does because it has a folder as the app icon (although users of screen readers won't see that). They will probably know what "Notepad" or "Text Editor" does, though.

I like Kate as a program but man KDE need to change how some of their app names appear in Plasma.

A new user looking through their start menu and seeing "Kate" will have no idea it's a text editor/notepad. The same is true for multiple other programs.

Okular, Dolphin, Cantata... ask someone who's never tried Plasma before what those programs do and I'd wager you'd get an incorrect answer for each one.

Genuinely very useful, however I feel that can be achieved without a login and paid AI subscription.

Gee, I wonder why Verstappen, Red Bull, and Horner most of all would receive boos...

That said, I don't see why the FIA feels the need to wade in on this? There's not a lot they can do if fans decide they don't like something. What are they gonna do, fine the fans now too?

The FIA should get back to governing motorsport, not trying to insert themselves into any and every drama. I feel they only give a shit about the booing because they themselves also got booed.

Man everything I hear about resolve makes me glad I don't use it. People are always bringing up installation or packaging issues, it not properly utilising graphics cards, or instability.

They were never contacted, and they were attacked by S76. There's no need for lies.

You can pretend these things never happened all you want, but they did, and it's easily verifiable, and no amount of denying the facts will change that. Lying like this is indefensible.

It's unfortunate that you're taking this road. I think we'll have to end this here.

I wish you and your project the best.

The link doesn't display the exact opposite.

GNOME rejected a patch for disabling mouse acceleration profiles

We weren't talking about mouse acceleration profiles. As I am now saying for the third time, I never said S76 didn't try to upstream anything, or that Gnome would accept everything.

It is a fact that in that youtube-dl example, S76 fixed a bug for their own project, didn't alert, raise a bug report, or submit a patch to upstream. It is also a fact that they then, twice, mocked upstream for not having that fix in place.

It is also a fact that that was not the only occasion of this happening.

My point has never been that S76 contributed nothing, or that upstream devs were willing to accept 100% of what S76 would send their way. I feel I made that clear.

It speaks to me that you have certain intentions and motivations in your speech to paper over the good we've done over the years to focus on small nit picks.

Please, let's be civil. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying S76 are bad or evil, I'm not trying to present you or your employer in a bad light. I used PopOS, and I've tested Cosmic a bunch of times because it's interesting, I even wished System76 future success. There is zero hate here.

I was explaining a few of the tension points between S76 and upstream projects that came to public attention.

Nitpicking an obscure debian changelog that no one reads and was never presented to the user is a very poor argument.

It's not nitpicking, it was a needlessly hostile remark towards upstream. It doesn't matter if only a small amount of end users saw it, that doesn't mean it's not a petty remark. And end users aren't the only people that matter, I doubt the upstream devs appreciated being ridiculed for an issue they weren't even made aware of.

I was unable to get any response from Canonical, so I fixed it myself in Pop

S76 never contacted canonical. No bug reports or fixes were sent their way. The first they heard of it was when S76 publicly mocked them for not having the fix.

And as I said, there's nothing wrong with fixing it yourself. That's good. It's the not raising a bug report to upstream, then making snide remarks about them not fixing it that I take issue with.

Again, I want to reiterate, because you seem to think I have bad intent: I do not. I like the project. But that doesn't mean I think everyone has always been perfect. People are people. We're human. We make mistakes and it's fine to acknowledge that. Me doing so about a couple of S76 employee's actions is not an attack.

Yeah, so they have some use

There are definitely things the Spotify Car Thing could've done.

It's a potato, sure, but there are still uses. Displaying some PC information, weather information, using it as a macro-pad (someone actually did that one)... or doing the thing it was designed to do: show some album art and the song you're playing, and giving play/pause, skip buttons.

Shit, even a desk clock would be better than nothing.

E: ah, I see you said unlike, not like. Never mind.

By extension this surely means that Hamilton is having to adapt too.

Both of them are fairly adaptable drivers IMO, so I'm sure they'll be able to perform well with what they're given.