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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Zoomers are worse the fucking boomers and alphas are going to be worse still.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Can confirm, in college I mostly partied and screwed around, but thanks to years of practice at procrastination I had by then developed the skill of throwing anything together at the last minute. So I could go to the library after dinner the night before a paper was due, find the right shelf, grab a handful of books and write a rough draft of an essay in couple hours. Back in the dorm by 10pm, I would make some edits, type it up (this was in the typewriter era), and turn it in on time for at least a B. But like I said, this was after years of putting off assignments in elementary and high school. Turns out this is an extremely valuable skill in office environments, where due to poor planning there's frequently some crisis that has to be solved ASAFP. People who can come through with decent work under completely unrealistic deadline pressure become all-stars. LPT: if you're actually doing that and not getting the credit and rewards you deserve, move somewhere else - you've valuable.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

People who can come through with decent work under completely unrealistic deadline pressure become all-stars.

I did this for my last company. We were about to lose our biggest client because we (not including me) had agreed to an impossible deadline to deliver a piece of software for them. I spent two weeks basically living at work and we (meaning mostly I) were able to deliver a bare-minimum product on time and keep our contract with the client alive. This kept our company intact long enough for us to be acquired by a major west coast tech giant - at which point I was rewarded with a layoff notice, while my bosses got millions in stock grants. I got a severance which was basically equal to what I would have been eligible to get from unemployment, which meant I didn't get any unemployment but at least I didn't have to pretend to look for work for six months.

I did it with no illusions about what my reward might or might not be. I just don't like being involved in any way with project failures.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

im convinced there is a misplaced dna strand that prevents me from drawing hands correctly

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Using chatgpt to do your school work is like paying/beating up a nerd to do your work for you. You won't learn shit, and there is a chance you'll get in trouble for cheating.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Except, the nerd will probably do the school work correctly.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Not if they are smart enough to know it would be suspicious if the dumb student suddenly started getting 100℅, so they purposely fudge a few answers.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

we used to do this thing called "learning".

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 39 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's called git gudding now.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Isn't that gud gitting?

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

ChatGPT land this plane with the engine failed for me. ChatGPT do this triple bypass heat surgery for me.

I’m sure that people will come up with excuses why this is different than cheating on an essay, but the point is that if one can’t study for the basic shit then doing the hard shit is going to be even harder. It’s not flipping a switch and saying “ok now I’ll take it all seriously…”. Then again, someone shirking basic work skills is probably destined for a retail middle manager job and not someone headed for radiology.

I'm a pilot and flight instructor. When I was a teenager, I would neglect English and Math homework to read my private pilot textbook.

See, there's this guy named Edward Thorndike who described several basic principles of learning, including the Principle of Readiness. See, learning is an active process, takes effort to do, and effort sucks. So people will only endure the suck of effort if they genuinely believe they'll get anything out of it. Students will best learn a lesson if they understand the value of the lesson to them in their lives. No, "you'll never know when algebra will save your life" is not good enough. No, "Someday this might come in handy" isn't good enough. Because of quiz-based game shows with million dollar cash prizes, that applies to literally everything from Mayan architecture to the seventh season of Friends.

My lived experience with essay writing is it was almost always an exercise in pointless pedantry. Thirteen years of public school and five years of college, I was almost always graded on punctuation, grammar, spelling, and strict adherence to the MLA style guide. One of the few essays that was graded for content was in an engineering class I took. We were to research a notable engineering failure, where something bad happened and an engineer was at fault. I chose the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 cargo door and the two in-flight emergencies it caused. I cited the actual NTSB reports and the Applegate memo. Of all the essays I wrote for English teachers, I don't remember the topic of a single one, my memories of writing them involve "Okay when it's a periodical, the title is italicized, but when it's in a journal..."

When teachers answer "Why do we have to learn this" with "it's required for your diploma" literally don't learn it. It is a mandatory waste of time designed to either be a bullshit tolerance exercise or included because it aesthetically resembles academics.

That doesn't happen in aviation curricula because flying a plane fucking matters and there's a point to everything we teach. Under part 61, anyway. Part 65 is full of horse shit. I went to mechanic school and learned there's no such thing as an aircraft that's safe to fly. I build furniture now.

What were we talking about?

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[–] Empricorn 44 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

My nephew wants to be instantly good at things and it drives me crazy. He'll roll his eyes and say "of course you're going to make that shot (in billiards) or get frustrated that's he's not amazing without practicing in martial arts, video games, golf, fitness, etc. I'm sure he'll grow out of it, but in the meantime he won't work at it or accept instruction. I'm like "yeah dude, I've done this thousands of times. Let me help you!"

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 22 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

My youngest (now 27) has a bit of a problem with that. The issue is that he's smart and most things always came easy to him. He'd do those giant writing assignments the night before that are supposed to be worked on for weeks and still get the high grade. Hardly ever seemed to study, but got solid A's. But when something comes along that he's not automatically good at, he gets super frustrated. He wanted to learn the guitar in high school (I play a little), so we bought him one and some basic instruction, but he hated it because it didn't come naturally. It's a decoration on his wall.

I will give him this though: he decided a few years back that he wanted to learn to draw, and that didn't come naturally, but he's continued to work at it and has gotten pretty decent. So it's something a person can get past.

[–] wisely@feddit.org 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a common trap for intelligent people. Because of years of everything being easy you have that expectation for every situation. You never learn how to challenge yourself. Additionally your identity and social status was built on always being capable and smarter than others around you.

When suddenly you run into something that actually takes study and dedication, you just don't know how. Studying and persistence are learned skills. It's also embarrassing and causes you to shy away. Things seem impossible if you have no experience of being challenged. Depression and avoidance takes over.

Before you know it you're middle aged and never did any of the amazing things that everyone expected of you as a child prodigy. Potential was capped at the level that requires no effort.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

My wife is really smart and says she just "sees" the answer to math problems. Ask her to multiple two 3-digit numbers and she does it quickly in her head. Was never like that for me, I always have to work the process even for simple things, it's never obvious. I got a CS degree with a math minor, and took some pretty high level math classes. It was always the same for me: learn the process, then work it through, whether it's number theory or multiplying two numbers.

My wife didn't get a degree, but she went back to school as an adult. When she got to the first math class that had symbolic/algebraic notation, she ground to a halt initially. She couldn't just see the answer, and she had no practice working through the process. Was a real slog for her.

Being brilliant is a gift, but you need to learn to work the mental muscles too.

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[–] vivendi@programming.dev 31 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Teach him to fail. Those kids are afraid of failing because somewhere in life someone traumatized them so they don't like to ever fail at anything.

[–] Empricorn 10 points 20 hours ago

I'm his uncle. Of course he's familiar with failure!

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemmy.zip 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

*teach him to grow from failure

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

I'm 39 and I want to be instantly good at things. It sucks. Good luck breaking your nephew out of it.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee

Edit, in the same spirit: "The difference between a novice and a master is that the master has failed more times than the novice has even tried." - No idea who

Follow me for more Karate Kid-level inspirational quotes.

[–] Empricorn 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"Every champion was once a contender who refused to give up." - Rocky Balboa

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Daniel : Wouldn't a fly swatter be easier?

Miyagi : Man who catch fly with chopstick accomplish anything.

Daniel : Ever catch one?

Miyagi : Not yet.

-- Karate Kid

[–] kayohtie@pawb.social 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I love the feeling of neurons rewiring to form a new pathway of understanding. Or whatever the hell it is. At 38, it's a pleasure finding I can still learn and build new skills.

Playing Beat Saber and hitting a plateau only to find my focus starts to evaporate over the course of a hard track as I find that flow, that path to just being in it, each skill plateau merely being temporary, is great. Playing guitar and slowly starting to wire my brain for the pathway for barre chords and faster movement along the frets is a crazy feeling. That sense of finally finding the pathways for singing to operate even SLIGHTLY separately from the rhythm of the guitar, those glimpses of polyrhythm? Addicting.

If you're able, I hope you can teach him to find that pleasure of not mastery, but evolving strengths. Maybe it's like an RPG where skills can be leveled up over time the more you use them. I know all too well the frustration of imperfection to start, ADHD during the 90s and the whole "perfect student" pressure created a lot I had to undo and still am, but each time I can break free of that it's rewarding.

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[–] jollyroberts@jolly-piefed.jomandoa.net 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I had a friend in high school who did the hand drawing exercise, it does work. He got really good at drawing hands.

[–] Akasazh 1 points 3 hours ago

Also: being able to draw hands is the most important identifier of not being an ai.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

That's honestly how everything works. Nobody starts good at anything. If you want to be good at something, you have to suck first. You have to fail over and over and over again and learn a tiny bit each time as you hone your craft.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It works for everything. My dad made me tie a thousand knots because my shoelaces kept coming untied and now as an adult I am super in-demand in our local bdsm scene.

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 18 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That did not go where I thought it would.

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