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Remote work has been studied extensively for decades and the findings overwhelmingly show that remote workers, when provided the right tools and support, are significantly more productive. Demanding people commute to an office was never about productivity.
gets to office and signs into zoom meeting
I was pushing to hold desk meetings back before we were in COVID.
Why am i stopping everything I'm doing to go sit in a room for 30 minutes and listen to everyone else talk about crap not related to me in which I've got maybe 5 minutes worth of things to say by the end.
In most cases we were already broadcasting the meeting to someone not in the room across the country.
I see all these posts/comments about meetings that are obnoxiously inefficient, and I'm so sorry for everyone who has to deal with them; it's almost completely foreign to me
I work medical, and our meetings are usually reps teaching us about some new or revamped devices... but they gather us on-shift to listen to a 5 min schpiel and have us sign a paper. If I'm busy, too bad and you can try and catch me next time. If I get called mid-teaching... my name is signed, and nobody cares. If I somehow miss it entirely... oh well, guess it's on me now to learn any changes. We have one formal review per year that takes all of 10 minutes. Maybe 2 or 3 formal meetings per year... and if I can't make it, doesn't matter
I already hate the few meetings we have, as is; and I'm only "required" to go to one per year... and it's maybe 10 minutes. Or I can dodge it, and just say "my bad" (though not a good look for you). I simply can't imagine being constantly pulled away for bullshit... and I guess I'm grateful for that
Granted, my job has it's own special flavor of hell and I should've been an electrical engineer. But all the lack of meetings involved makes me feel a little bit better; as penance for the other rampant bullshit I have to deal with
These meetings y'all speak of — I just can't imagine how antsy and aggravated I would be to have to attend such idiotic fluff that "could've been an email". Fuck, I can even ignore my emails with almost no recourse. Kudos to y'all for getting through it, cause I'd really rather not. Let me work, leave me alone, and then I go the fuck home; that's all I want
Why not make a step further, and ask why do you even have 30 minutes meeting if it's not useful?
My entire career could have been an email.
my wife kept getting pressured to go into a specific office location every week. 2-3 hour commute each way to sit at a desk on video calls with little IRL interaction
Who owns commercial and office property? Guessing most aren't by non executive, non board member, working class
https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/commercial-real-estate-market-trends
There's a reason they combine office with data centers and the rest of commercial has been down
They made a bad decision gambling on overvalued office and commercial property leases and want to push their loss onto workers because they love to socialize the losses and privatize the gains
100%
IMHO, it depends on the role. Do you have a role that benefits from in person collaboration, or do you have a role where focus is the priority?
People get into warring camps about remote or onsite work, and we rarely talk about engineers, designers, accountants, etc. having very different needs. One size doesn’t fit all.
It's not about productivity.
It's about control.
Guess who gets to work in private offices instead of the "productivity enhancing" open offices!
When my last company went to an open office plan, everybody (even the CEO) had to be out in the open because the whole company moved into one big room (with a little cordoned-off area for meetings). Granted, this was because we were on the edge of folding and we moved into the one big room to save on rent. But it did produce a nice "we're all in this together" vibe because it sucked ass for everyone.
This point i don't get...in all my jobs, team leads, department managers and basically all management level employees are sitting in the same open office as everyone else. I have never been somewhere where this is not the case. Is this a predominantly American thing?
They're talking about the c-suites who make the decision to call everyone back to office, I presume
Yup, director level and above get their own office
CSuite get their own entrance and tunnel, don't want to enter with the rest of the plebs and walk in the same hallway
Its partly tradition, power displays, and disbelief. People who've been managers for decades somehow believe that being in the office is the only true way to do work because that's how it's always been done. Then you have some managers who will always get off on the fact that they can hold people's ability to feed themselves hostage to make them do what they want. Lastly, some managers just don't believe you can be productive at home. After all, all the not work things are there.
I know this site is heavily weighted towards IT professionals and other pure-office-work type professions, but sometimes in office work really is better than work from home. Online meetings are largely useless, even when it's a proper meeting, not just a should-have-been-an-email meeting.
In my current job, remote work isn't an option, and I can't tell you how much time I've wasted trying to get engineers and software devs to understand things that would have taken two seconds to understand if they would go physically look at the thing. But of course, they can't do that because they are working remotely. Instead we get to waste half a day playing picture/video tag
Online meetings are largely useless
Oh! Oh! This is where people say "skill issue", isn't it?
If you can't run a productive meeting over zoom you probably can't do one in person, either.
I think this is all really subjective and depends on how your team does work. Getting people to work with you or understand things is a communication problem, and in my own experience, being in the office didn't eliminate those issues.
I agree there are times to be in the office, but it damn sure doesn't need to be every day all the time. IMO people need to adapt, be smart and figure out what works for their teams and themselves, not hold themselves to tradition for its own sake.
Managers should be empowered to make these decisions to do the research and figure out the best strategy for their situation, and I think many would like that responsibility.
This will depend on your work. All my work is on the computer. Showing someone something is as easy as sharing my screen (and this might even be better, as I can draw on it).
And I don't agree online meetings are useless. All of my team work from home most of the time, and we work out how to make that work.
Having half the group in the office and half joining remotely I think is the worst of both worlds.
The whole "return to office" thing is a cocktail of like.. "Feelings Driven Leadership" and "The Cruelty is the Point". Oh, and "I'm incompetent so everyone else must be incompetent in the same way, too."
Many managers make decisions based purely on feelings. You can show them data but they don't care. They feel like being in-office is better. And maybe, maybe, it is, on some metrics. Are those metrics better for workers? Probably not.
And the cruelty? Well, as others have said, some people get off on having power over others.
The last point, there are some people who just can't manage themselves so they seem to think no one else can, either. Like someone the other day was saying he can't work from home because he'll just play xbox. To which I respond, from the depths of my soul, fuck off. Grow up and stop making everyone else around you suffer because you're an incompetent, unmedicated, shit. You can go into the office if you have to. Don't make everyone else suffer a pay cut too because you're trash tier at self control.
You're forgetting the whole...." I invested entirely too much in corporate real estate".
When there's instability in the market a lot of fortune 500 corporations will start investing in corporate real estate as a "safe bet" to hedge more risky investments.
Skyscrapers and large office spaces are on paper horrible investments and have an awful time filling enough vacancies to offset their upkeep. The only thing that makes them a "safe" investment is that every company uses them as a way to bank equity. If those same companies pulled the rug from under themselves they would all lose that safe equity piggy bank.
They don't care about this part at all. This is your time. It's your fault for not being rich.
Uuh, I remember the London Tube.
It's so soul draining (noticed the empty eyes and avoidance of eye-contact) that it convinced me to start commuting to work by bicycle in London when it wasn't all that common (and which ultimately took around the same time).
Bike commuting kind of rules though.
You guys don't understand that this is is the goal. Happy rested people thinl a lot, demand things, want a better life. Unhappy and exausted people only want to go home and go to sleep, they loose their souls and think that this is better enough. Those are easy to control
I don't overthink people's expressions on trains, nor do I think we should be taking pics of people who look upset because they look upset.
Trains are a much more desirable way to get to work than driving is.
I’m counting down the months until my work relocates to our new head office. I can say goodbye to the 35-75 minute commute (each way), and have a reliable ~60min train ride.
Sure it might take longer, overall - but I’ll be able to relax by reading a book, taking a nap or playing a game. I’d much rather that than deal with the anxiety of bumper-to-bumper traffic in a sea of SUVs filled with inattentive drivers.
I literally drive past at least one accident every day on my way to work. The Monash Highway in Victoria, IYKYK.
It really is the least talked about benefit to public transport, yet is so significant. Sure you can't do too much but you can watch a show/movie, play a game, read, write, draw or even do your taxes and shop from your phone and laptop.
Certainly can't do that driving around. And it let's you relax and change from work mode to home mode. Even if you have to do a little drive to and from the station.
Plus like you mentioned, less chance of delays and being involved in accidents. Win win win win.
Environmentally, absolutely...personally? I absolutely fucking hate using public transport. I'd take 90min of sitting still in traffic alone in my car over bumping and griding with random strangers for 90min on a train any day.
I do not. I can read or watch movies while riding a train. No chance in a car.
That guy in white with air pods looks like he's going to be at 110% at prompt engineering and LinkedIn engagement.
White shirt guy maybe, probably either at making you extremely mediocre coffee (looks too straight to be a good barista) or doing something like the ux design for the app interface to a microchip that doesnt let your dog love you without microtransactions. The owners are lobbying for it to be mandatory, and all dogs without it will be liquidated by 2030. The app is spyware written by a large language model, and only sometimes works. Iphone only.
Tan jacket lady maaaaaaaybe.
Black+white checkered shirt guy is a cop, he's already at work. He'll be very productive later, already planning on attending the protest.
evryone look irritated getting randomly photographed
how to tell if a tube photo was taken in summer:
Why? They are not wearing summer clothes