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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] drsilverworm@midwest.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

The single best thing you can do for the climate is not existing. The next best thing is not having kids. The lifetime of consumption of a person is out of the equation without that person. Until we figure out how to live sustainably on this earth, overpopulation is a real problem.

Edit: To be clear, I want you to still exist with us in this world. Especially since I don't believe in any kind of afterlife. I'm just stating a tough truth with no clear action statement, besides maybe figuring put how to live truly carbon-neutral. Some things are just a catch-22.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

You first, buddy.

If not, this is just a slippery slope argument to "those other people shouldn't exist/have babies". That's just the door to eco-fascism.

[–] drsilverworm@midwest.social 1 points 19 hours ago

I'm not calling out any single group, but speaking broadly about all humans. How does that jump to "those other people"?

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I mean maybe. A lot of people today aren't having children bc of the general state of things and concerns around climate factor into that

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I dunno, can’t it still be a good thing to put this option into the zeitgeist, in an otherwise pro-natal by default society?

Even though I know that on an intellectual level having kids is a choice, it still feels like a big adulting checkbox. That feel may be biological, but it’s influenced by society too.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Would you rather have ecofascism or the extinction of all macroscopic organisms?

That being said limiting birth rates is a responsible thing to do, and we can see clearly when wealth inequality forces people to have fewer resources they will just choose to not have children. Otherwise every country wouldn't be whining about birth rates being too low.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a bullshit dilemma.

And you are wrong that wealth inequality causes the drop in birth rates. The birth rate was higher in the Dickensian times of Britain compared to now. If anything, it is wealth equality, universal positive rights, and women's liberation that tend to make people have fewer kids.

A ecosocialist world is a sustainable one. An ecofascist world is just a death spiral.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An ecosocialist world would not allow wealth inequality to become this bad.

It's a biological fact when resources are constrained that a population will plateu.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An ecosocialist world would not allow wealth inequality to become this bad.

We don't live in one. The challenge is to make one.

It’s a biological fact when resources are constrained that a population will plateu.

Mice and fleas don't have medicine, feminism, research centres and agriculture. Look at the world around you. In societies with high degrees of scarcity and high infant mortality, humans have tended to have a lot of babies. This is true now, and it was true historically. On the flipside, in societies with high development indexes, humans tend to not have many kids. From Japan to Sweden to Cuba, you see that fertility rates inversely correlate with human development. These are just observable facts.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The vestiges of mutual aid left in our society do not meaningfully counteract every generation having 1/2-1/4th of the resources their parents did.

These resource constraints limit population growth, humans are smart enough to see what's coming, and many voluntarily don't reproduce. We're already seeing wealth inequality force our birth rate decline.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

the countries that are panicking about birth rates are also the countries that think they're going to be at war in the next generation or two. And the demographic situation is already bad in the countries that aren't already shooting.

Look at how bad things were before it started, and what 3 years of full scale war has done to Ukraine and Russia, they have more or less succeeded in signing each others death warrants as nations