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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 11 hours ago

You don't understand, ICE was deporting brown people when we thought they were terrorists, now that ICE is deporting brown people because Trump thinks they're terrorists, it's now evil.

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Wait no you can't do that! The Democrats would never eat my face, I can only conceive of that happening to Republicans

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 25 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

And how many of those years were ICE straight up kidnapping people to throw into dungeons?

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago

All of them. It was their founding mandate. It’s simply operating more openly and at unimaginable scale this year.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago

Ask the ICE victims because they were the scary brown people plotting the next 9/11 but never found guilty.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago

That's overly reductive and you know it.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 128 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

There needs to be some kind of immigration enforcement just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process. This requires some level of funding, and due to inflation and growing populations it will always result in record breaking funding at some point.

Democrats were denouncing ICE in 2017-2020 because the administration was ordering ICE to pursue practices like stealing children. They are denouncing them now because ICE is kidnapping people off the street and when they show up for court hearings when they are complying with court orders.

This list implies that the Dems are wrong for ever funding ICE and that they are hypocrites for complaining when Republicans are in power. But it glosses over the nuance that ICE really is used far more maliciously when Trump is in power and that denouncing of the specific actions of ICE are completely valid because those are their jackboot thug years.

Dems are shitty on immigration because they are complicit with lowering immigration maximums and excluding too many people while not promoting reforms that improve how ICE behaves. But it isn't the same thing as supporting the ICEstappo when in office, because they dial it back to a shitty level instead of full on villain mode.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process.

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) handles this. They and ICE were founded in 2002 along Customs and Border Patrol. ICE is the result of the merging of two separate enforcement agencies: part of the US Customs Services and the enforcement arm of the Immigration and Naturalization Services.

Illegal entries caught within 100 miles of the border weren't classified as deportations until the George W. Bush administration. Obama was colloquially known as Deporter in Chief for these high numbers.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

There needs to be some kind of immigration enforcement just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process.

No there doesn't. We don't have anything similar like a dedicated anti-immigration police in Canada or in the EU. There are border protection agencies and there are immigration bureaucracies, but this special immigration police thing going on in the US, is not a thing.

[–] Willy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Ice is a newish agency formed after 9/11 with the also dystopianly named DHS. It was a product of the time of patriot acts and TSA. None of them are needed or helpful or going away.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 48 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Absolutely. The solution is comprehensive immigration reform. Until Congress passes it, we will continue to deport people due to our overcomplicated and flawed system.

It’s also important to note that more immigrants cross the border under Democratic presidents, and most deportations under those presidents are people caught at the border, versus the rounding up and deporting of working, tax-paying immigrants who have been here for years.

CBP vs ICE

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, which is why ICE and all immigration enforcement under Trump is many, many times worse than under the Dems and still would be even if the reforms were in place because Trump is ignoring the laws and court orders that should be preventing him from deporting people to 3rd party countries just like he ignored the orders against separating children from parents.

Even if the Dems were sugar and spice and everything nice we would still have some kind of immigration enforcement in place and it would have been twisted into to what it is now because conservatives don't care about following the laws they dislike.

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[–] anaVal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 22 hours ago

for an anarchist perspective on this topic: https://crimethinc.com/books/no-wall-they-can-build.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

If the world were a binary meme world this might make sense, but it's more like saying stuff happened during the day... night... day... night...

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 42 points 23 hours ago (12 children)

weird how you focus on Democrats when the Republicans are the problem here

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 21 hours ago

everyone who gives a fuck knows republicans are the problem, what many people don't realize is that the democrats merrily sit at the same table as republicans, so people need to be informed about that so they can recognize that both parties are shit and there needs to be actual change.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

They're both problems, and fixing the Democrats is the solution to both problems. Democrats repeatedly embracing the status quo is what lets Republicans keep winning, and Republicans won't change as long as they're winning.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So who's supposed to oppose the Republicans who we know are responsible for most bad things happening?

Because if the democrats aren't interested in opposing them we need another party that's willing to oppose Republicans.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So who's supposed to oppose the Republicans

Democrats, to the best of their willingness.

And it's on us to force ranked choice voting so we don't have only two fucking options.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 53 minutes ago

Force ranked choice voting by..... loudly supporting them no matter what they do?

Force is a relative concept, it seems

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago (14 children)

Average Lemmy user, "There is no difference between the politician on the left and the politician on the right."

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I like how in this analogy, republicans are Hitler and democrats are the guy who brought Hitler to power. Very apt.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who knows the guy on the left: "Hindenburg went out of his way to empower Hitler and the Nazis when it was clear that his coalition was failing. Instead of working with the Social Democrats, he empowered the Nazi. Without his choices, there's a chance that the Hitler wouldn't have come to power. He's an awful person."

You: "so you think there's no difference between the two?!"

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You are proving my point. One was bad, the other was evil and you can't see the difference.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 51 minutes ago

Lesser, greater, middling.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The guy on the left appointed Hitler and then gave him power with the Enabling Act and aided in giving him unchecked powers.

So without Hindenburg, Hitler wouldn't have been put into power. So he's far from a good guy.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

. So he's far from a good guy.

That was my point. One is bad, the other is pure evil. Lemmy: " I see no difference."

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Still waiting for the Democrats to start fighting Nazis

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 hours ago

But they wrote strongly worded letters, that's the same right?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The only two who tried to shoot Trump were right wing. I have seen any leftists/socialists try and stop Trump either.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Shooting Trump wouldn't really help? He'd just become a martyr for MAGA and JD Vance would do all the shit Trump was going to do, but also use the assassination as an excuse to deport leftists.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This all under a picture of Hitler hah

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you kill Hitler and aren't organized enough to take advantage of the infighting (or assassinate the rest of Nazi leadership) then one of the other Nazis will just slide into his place. It's not like there are a shortage of potential Hitlers around.

Assassination has to be part of a larger, more organized political project or it doesn't really accomplish anything.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Idk I'd probably still advocate killing Hitler

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

But it doesn't fix anything.

A hypothetical time traveler needs to build organized resistance and implement a strategy to destroy the the Nazi Party, otherwise you just get WW2 and the Holocaust with a different guy in charge. You can't even be sure it would be better if you replaced Hitler with a different Nazi. Remember, Hitler lost.

Lone wolf tactics and adventurism do not work and can not work.

Even if it would be really funny.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I was just going to point out that deportations were higher under Biden.

Then I remembered who that guy in the picture is!

Hindenburg literally appointed Hitler chancellor, approved the Reichstag Fire Decree, and gave the Nazis emergency powers by singing the Enabling Act of 1933. Do you not even credit him slightly for the rise of Hitler and the Nazis?

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 32 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)
  1. Between 2011 and 2015 the ICE budget stayed the same or fell in 2 years.

  2. Democrats enforced Obama era rules of 72 hour holding limitations for women and children, and followed a criminal-only persecution which actually deported more people than Trump despite the number of cages Trump filled. Thats what this is all about. Trump is filling cages for the private prison industry's profits.

If you don't want the DNC to compromise then elect more than 50 of them to the Senate, and a strong house majority.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You say inflation makes numbers go up each year?

[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 4 points 14 hours ago

Weird that inflation only seems to really exist for the carceral state.

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