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There needs to be some kind of immigration enforcement just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process. This requires some level of funding, and due to inflation and growing populations it will always result in record breaking funding at some point.
Democrats were denouncing ICE in 2017-2020 because the administration was ordering ICE to pursue practices like stealing children. They are denouncing them now because ICE is kidnapping people off the street and when they show up for court hearings when they are complying with court orders.
This list implies that the Dems are wrong for ever funding ICE and that they are hypocrites for complaining when Republicans are in power. But it glosses over the nuance that ICE really is used far more maliciously when Trump is in power and that denouncing of the specific actions of ICE are completely valid because those are their jackboot thug years.
Dems are shitty on immigration because they are complicit with lowering immigration maximums and excluding too many people while not promoting reforms that improve how ICE behaves. But it isn't the same thing as supporting the ICEstappo when in office, because they dial it back to a shitty level instead of full on villain mode.
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) handles this. They and ICE were founded in 2002 along Customs and Border Patrol. ICE is the result of the merging of two separate enforcement agencies: part of the US Customs Services and the enforcement arm of the Immigration and Naturalization Services.
Illegal entries caught within 100 miles of the border weren't classified as deportations until the George W. Bush administration. Obama was colloquially known as Deporter in Chief for these high numbers.
The US also defines every international airport as a border, so there are almost no people in the country not within 100 miles of a border
Absolutely. The solution is comprehensive immigration reform. Until Congress passes it, we will continue to deport people due to our overcomplicated and flawed system.
It’s also important to note that more immigrants cross the border under Democratic presidents, and most deportations under those presidents are people caught at the border, versus the rounding up and deporting of working, tax-paying immigrants who have been here for years.
Yes, which is why ICE and all immigration enforcement under Trump is many, many times worse than under the Dems and still would be even if the reforms were in place because Trump is ignoring the laws and court orders that should be preventing him from deporting people to 3rd party countries just like he ignored the orders against separating children from parents.
Even if the Dems were sugar and spice and everything nice we would still have some kind of immigration enforcement in place and it would have been twisted into to what it is now because conservatives don't care about following the laws they dislike.
True. It’s long overdue regardless. We are still using the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA). Obama pushed for immigration reform, but all Congress was able to pass with a weak majority was DACA in 2012.
Republicans want a broken system so they have a scapegoat for elections.
No there doesn't. We don't have anything similar like a dedicated anti-immigration police in Canada or in the EU. There are border protection agencies and there are immigration bureaucracies, but this special immigration police thing going on in the US, is not a thing.
Ice is a newish agency formed after 9/11 with the also dystopianly named DHS. It was a product of the time of patriot acts and TSA. None of them are needed or helpful or going away.
What makes you think "handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process" had to include anti-immigration police?
I get the feeling you don't disagree with the parent commenter at all.
ICE is a law enforcement agency. It's a police. With a special immigration mandate.
I guess I am not clear what is meant by “handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process”. In Canada, things like applications and forms are handled by IRCC, the immigration ministry. Other than that, there is CBSA, which is like your CBP, but we don't have a specialized interior immigration police.
for an anarchist perspective on this topic: https://crimethinc.com/books/no-wall-they-can-build.
You mean like how Obama was doing the exact same thing and Trump simply expanded on it but liberal media shoved it under the rug when Obama did it?
https://www.aila.org/library/detention
That's a lot of links. Which one is about Obama directing ICE to steal children from families instead of incarcerating them together in family detention or deporting them together?
I said they dial it back to shitty levels which are not as bad as masked plainclothes agents in unmarked cars kidnapping people on the street or stealing children while families are detained.
Obama had a nickname. "Deporter in Chief".
Obama did the things you described. The excuse is that Obama did not do it "systematically". But he did it a few times and got away with it. Thus setting a precedent for Trump to do the same thing a lot of times.
Do you even remember that Obama built the cages?
Obama builds a concentration camp and then people act surprised that a Republican comes in and uses it as a concentration camp? The selective outrage here is astounding.