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The people who want to get ice cream are also helping a psychopath murder innocent civilians so it's a bit of a toss up
Yeah.... But also, Carlin was right saying this shit is all a stage. We've got groups of bullies picking on us, and I'd rather throw bricks than help them decide who to pick on next.
If "harm" and "less harm" are the only two options, then the only question is how quickly you die. There's the argument that we have to do "harm reduction" in order to buy time to organize for something better, but we've been procrastinating for decades apparently. Since all of history informs us that humans act only when inaction is no longer tenable (and sometimes not even then), really the only material difference between "harm reduction" and accelerationism is, again, the timeline.
The harm or less harm are thanks to Ordinal voting.
First Past the Post is the absolute worst offender, but every single Ordinal voting system will eventually devolve into a forced choice between this or that.
Thankfully there are Cardinal voting systems. Those always boil down to the word and. For example, I can say that I support getting ice cream, and sandwiches, and a slushy, and even just finishing the route, but not going over that cliff.
My support for any given item is counted independently of my support for any other option.
To see what option wins, you just look at total support.
Different Cardinal systems have their own little quirks, but the key in all of them is that ability to give multiple items identical levels of support.
I keep being told I'm a fascist for voting for the harm reduction by people on lemmy though.
How are we at a point in time where adults need this explained to them..
Indeed, "word up." Although, the voting machines received upgrades and who knows what really occurred.
Everyone's upset about the vegan ice cream voters not voting for regular ice cream.
No one is upset at the regular ice cream people for being unwilling to vote for a vegan ice cream place because their choice is default in their mind.
Both sides are holding each other hostage. One has a moral reason and the other just doesn't want to compromise.
And yet.
Thats not a viable choice though.
The viable choices were ice cream or cliff. Choosing vegan ice cream is functionally equivalent to not voting.
Genocide isn't a viable choice.
I’m kinda upset about the cliff-driver voters too tbf
T r u e
And yet, we’re careening towards our death now. You’ve proven the point, well done.
It's time for the lesser evil to choose no evil for once.
sharp as a carrot this one
Is voting for controlled opposition harm reduction?
Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom
Is voting for continuing to drive on the road harm reduction? It'd keep the bus from getting ice cream until people vote to drive off the cliff out of boredom.
Well it's an analogy so let's get more precise.
You don't vote for a destination, you vote for a bus driver. Your two and only two choices are both telling you they'll take you to the ice cream parlor while claiming the other driver will drive you off a cliff. Meanwhile, you see the bus passing multiple opportunities to stop at several different ice cream shops, doughnut shops, etc.
Then you find out that the company running the bus gets paid for every mile driven. And that every bus driver you've seen has been skimming the bus fare money.
Your shouts of protest against the bus chartering company are drowned out by all the other passengers trying to decide which of the two drivers would take the bus to the ice cream parlor vs the cliff.
This analogy is wearing really thin.
The candidates were not promising the same thing.
Trump is rolling out the policies he campaigned on. Tariffs, being mean to poor people, and owning the libs.
He did not promise ice cream.
I mean we got tariffs and being mean to poor people under Biden. So we had a driver promising ice cream while they only drive toward the cliff, the other driver criticizing him for not going fast enough, and then a guy with a megaphone yelling at anyone who says "we need the first guy to stop driving off a cliff, turn the wheel, hit the brake, something please, or the other guy is going to get to drive"
If neither driver is going for ice cream, it makes little sense to make ice cream the sole topic to base your voting (or non-voting) decision on.