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[–] KingCake_Baby@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

What everyone forgets is that the actual voting already happened. The bus company, Cliff driving Committee, voted before the bus embarked. They voted for the bus driver to drive off the cliff to cut spending to maintenance and health insurance to the driver and bus. There only so much the riders can say at that point

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Chuck Schumer: we beat them at their own game and got them to agree to only drive the buss halfway off the cliff as long as we all stand at the front.

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You're on a bus with 9 people. 1 guy takes up 2/3rds of the bus by himself. 3 people take up 90% of what remains, and the last 5 are stacked on top of each other on the last remaining seat.

The one guy with 2/3 of the bus says he wants to throw two of the other passengers off a cliff at random so he can have their seats. 2 of the 3 in the next segment think this is a terrible idea and say we should keep things as they are, with one voting for it because he thinks somehow everyone will benefit from the top guy having more space. The bottom segment votes 3-2 in favor of the idea, because they hate the people in the second group for taking up space they could use, and like the idea of possibly throwing them off a cliff.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

I just knew the comments were going to be us tearing each other apart.

I'm just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.

We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don't have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

I’m just thinking out loud here. What if Progressives that are registered as Democrats changed their registration to independent? Also, stop sending them your money. We could organize it to happen over one week. Then keep it that way for 30 days. See how much power we truly have. If we can show the Democratic party that they would never win another election without us, maybe they would be more likely to listen.

I mean, honestly, if you manage to coordinate action on that scale, you're probably better off either attempting to take over the Dems or start a third party entirely.

We have to be careful though, I know this President is running roughshod over the Constitution with the blessing of SCOTUS and Congress but they don’t have enough votes or State legislatures to amend the Constitution. If they get that, then that truly is the end of this experiment.

Next election isn't for a year and a half, and there's no guarantee that it'll mean anything. If you want to try anything radical in electoral terms, now's definitely the time to do so. The chances of failure substantially changing our position is... low, unlike previously.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

We just saw Progressives not voting for Harris, which lost her the election. The Democrats ignored that.

The good part is that the Democrats have no plan right now. So if anything Progressives should register to primary in better candidates. Also donations, but to individual candidates. This is why New York mattered so much. If Progressives can win, then it is a huge problem for the neoliberals.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Pugjesus doesnt seem to understand that you can elect people with a D by their name who will vote with republicans on critical votes. But hey as long as the D team wins on election day, thats all that matters I guess, right Pug?

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Right? We elected Biden and he failed. Not trying to say he is a bad person or meant to blahblah - he simply failed at dealing with Trump. And that includes all the online narratives funded by foreign governments and Elon Musk in the hundreds of millions if not even more.

Like the Dems had control, they failed. And as a people, WE failed, because we let bad leaders into office, whose qualifications are fundraising, kissing ass to rich people, and making speeches. They aren't coming up with ideas, they aren't leading.

Because they are status quo. They aren't progressive. They are same-ers. So after Jan6, they said "let's keep stuff the same," and they kept Merrick Garland and the stupid Mueller report and so many more things I can't even handle thinking about because it's such an absolute gross failure of their main job in office. And he will die for it most likely, which is pretty sad, and not something he wanted obviously. But he's old as fuck, and good at kissing ass, so he listened to whoever that wanted the same stuff, and made his fancy speeches, and we got fucked. Like he's that really nice math teacher that absolutely sucks at teaching math, that I don't want to hate, but he made us fail by not doing his job.

And the Dems failed yet again to deliver a fair primary, which is how we got Kamala, and boy people did not like that one bit

[–] ExhibiCat@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem here is having only two choices.

Where I'm from we have coalition governments. It's very rare for one party to have a majority. So they have to argue for months and come to some kind of agreement with other parties. The good thing is that everyone can vote for what they really want. There's not really any 'lost votes'. The bad thing is that the coalition forming process is messy and slow and the result is much watered down. But I'd much rather have this than a two party system.

If I had been a US citizen I'd have voted for Harris though.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

The problem here is having only two choices.

Yeah, our system is fucked. Unfortunately, we play with the cards we have, not the cards we want.

[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

A vote is not an endorsement, it's a move.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

"I voted for the cliff because I know the ice cream place is down below it and I wanted to get there faster." - Have to assume this person exists, but I'm not sure who they would be in the analogy. 🤔

Edit: Oh, I just had to scroll down a few more comments to find them.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Amazing how consistently they show up on here.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

MAGA FBI agents on Lemmy discouraging people from voting.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 22 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Remember, no matter how beautiful, morally righteous, or gratifying your strategy is, you should really look at the results

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[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

More like two options: one runs the bus off the cliff while the other sets it on fire. Sure, we'll live longer in the fire scenario. Maybe we can even put it out!

But I'm still looking for the fucking exit.

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