I'm doing my best to believe without thinking too much about that.
The fact that so many people unironically feel this way is bone-chilling. Wild that you'd just say it out loud.
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2025
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you're trying to apply logic to something intrinsically illogical. if you value logic and enough that this is a major hangup, now's a good time to start distancing yourself from the church. I was the same way many years ago, but I cannot even put into words how much better my life is without a religious affiliation. going to church does not make you inherently godly. use the time you would have spent at church to help enact actual change in your community.
I was raised in the south, got curious about religion, and being the south... Yeah, so attended a Lutheran church, and was formally asked to leave for asking too many questions that required logic.
I was about 6. So, yeah.
Who's doing the evil: humans or the devil? If God allows human free will, then evil is always a possibility. The devil is limited to influence humans or be allowed to possess someone to act directly.
Why can't God create reality such that free will is possible without evil? He is omnipotent, so there's nothing stopping him, right?
That's logically inconsistent though
It's also logically inconsistent for anything to be omnipotent. Why is one case of inconsistency OK, and another doesn't make sense?
I was just answering the op question.
There are plenty of Christian apologists that have dealt with this question in published works. There's no pithy response that would fit in an online forum.
There are plenty of evils that are partly our wholly beyond human free will. Floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, drought, blight, pandemics, plague, infestations, fires, genetic diseases, etc. Those aren't man's doing. Whether God, the Devil, or something else entirely, the problem still stands.
That's just genetic drift. In my opinion, it's neither bad nor good. It's just a consequence of living in the world. God makes it rain on the good and the evil.
A world and consequences of the system God created. God doesn't just make it rain, he makes it tsunami and get covered with lava too. The fact it's indiscriminate is worse, not better.
It presumes that the devil is an actual person rather than a story telling device and an amalgamation of some unrelated ideas throughout scripture and other faiths.
So, what you're saying is that the Book of Job disproves the divinity of a god?
This idea rests on the notion that the human ideas of good and evil are universal, and apply to a god. Why should that be the case? What if god has decided that murder is good, and will reward everyone that commits murder with a spot in heaven?
still doesn't address acts of God that kill and hurt so many (earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.), nor things God would have created and is responsible for like the existence of and harm from parasites, diseases, hereditary conditions, etc.
There is no god. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can move on with your life.
I don't really see the point of barging into a conversation intended for people of a certain group just to say that they're all wrong. Sure, an outsider's perspective may be useful but you're even replying to the topic question
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"there's no evil on alpha centauri"
evil isn't an objective reality, it's a construct based on human observations.
God killed millions of people. Satan killed like? 12?
There are a lot of contradictions in Christianity.
They aren't worth dwelling on if you want to remain a Christian.
You won't be able to debunk it. Logic does not apply to faith. It's like dividing by zero. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. Trying to apply logic to matters of faith is a fools errand.
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In Judaism, ha-satan does work as a kind of public prosecutor. You get a public defender too.
Isn't that the core principle of monotheism, that one God does everything, both good and evil?
Sure, but monotheism still has to be internally consistent, and labeling it ("monotheism") doesn't address the inconsistency.
If anything it just means that benevolent and omnipotent monotheism is intrinsically inconsistent.
Yeah, the point is that God is not "allowing" the devil to do evil. If Christianity is truly monotheistic, then the devil is a creation of God, just like anything else. There is no independent being. So yes, like the title says, he is an accomplice.
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