Oh, come on, this is totally unfair. He was on the cross for a few days, and then dead for a few, so it was the better part of a week!
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2025
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For a real answer: The sacrifice isn't supposed to be Christ's.
Prior to Jesus, people sacrificed animals as penance, with greater sins requiring a more valuable ram or cow instead of a bird or something.
By sacrificing Jesus, humanity sacrificed God's personal presence on Earth, and the value of that sacrifice was enough to cover all sins for all people forever.
Might also be worth throwing out that "And then he came back... as a spooky magic ghost!!!" is some Grade-A evangelical cope.
So much of modern Christian dogma was just gossip and philosophical conjecture prior to the Council of Nicea. Christians hadn't even settled on whether Jesus was the legit Son of God until 300 years after he was pulled off the Cross.
Go pick through the Gnostic texts. That shit is wild. You've got people hypothesizing that Jesus was a trick sent by Satan to lead people away from a second occluded messiah. You've got all sorts of wild speculation about the nature of human souls and God as this layered being that emanates down to the mortal plane. It reads like the weed-smokers favorite parts of a D&D splat book.
There's a reason modern Christians stick to some Dutch-Irish guy taking a power walk to Jerusalem and getting crucified for it over the "I licked the wrong frog, now lets talk about neo-pagan metaphysics" shit we had going on during the 100s-era AD Christian Era.
Neopaganism can coexist with Christianity and vice versa. Just pious Christians tend to have pious, very unhealthy egos that stray too far into the superego and id far longer than staying in ego and haven't had the necessary ego death the Christ/Osiris/Odin stories symbolize.
Cool. So we all get unlimited free sins now? Brb going to go commit some crimes, thanks Jesus!
Just make sure you ask for forgiveness right before you die, or its off to hell with you!
Wouldn’t dying for my sins be pointless if I just end up in hell anyway?
Well Jesus' traditions outside of 'Christianity' aka apocrypha normally describes him as a sinner. He literally became the devil respresentation in the roman state. How?
He donned the name Pan. Pan already being a god associated debauchery and wild life. Remember this is what Jesus was to the roman elites. Hence when he took that name, it was also used against his image. 200 years later and christianity gets canonized but the imagery already formed.
I'm saying all of this to tell you, Jesus believed in sin. He commited it, but by wanting to cease it he at least became in control of himself. Rather than his want leading him. Sin isn't bad, but it can become a prison. Hence the gnostic genesis tradition.
That doesn't change the original joke. The Bible says animals don't have souls. When they are sacrificed they are gone. Jesus wasn't gone and furthermore rose from the dead so he was back on Earth for 40 days. He could have stayed longer. So he didn't sacrifice his personal presence either.
For believers, it isn't supposed to be about his sacrifice. It's humanity's sacrifice.
Sacrificing animals wasn't supposed to be about the animal's death. It was about the person making the sacrifice losing the animal as penance.
The story of the crucifixion is about all of humanity losing Christ as payment for all its sins.
Then why do people feel the need to thank/be indebted to Him if it's actually us who made the sacrifice?
That sounds like a scapegoat logic.
They could have selected any random dude, said he is gods son, prop him up a bit, killed him in some dramatic way and had the same marketing / PR effect.
This entire story reeks of manipulation of the masses which was so effective it's still around to this day.
Humans have so much knowledge these days and we see exactly how gullible the masses are despite that.
How exactly can people be so stupid to trust stories from a time where peasants were so superstitious that they killed people out of fear they could be demonic because of red hair. And their primary influecers, the church and king or rulers confirmed the superstitions that brought in more money and power to them.
humanity losing Christ as payment for all its sins.
But they didn't. Jesus was still on Earth and then ascended into heaven where he still exists. So nothing was lost.
So why are people waiting for his resurection?
Yep, this is why he donned the name Pan. As the scapegoat of jewish tradition in turn became him. However in turn taking the name meaning all and a joke on bread. Along with symbolisms of the cornucopia and pan being a dialogue of man and zeus. Origins sometimes have them being raised by the same goat mother - being a later addition.
Eat of my body, the panis or bread. Makes a great joke for penis which is also latin.
Jesus existed in the realm of hindu-buddhism, judaism, roman state religion, and also greek religion.(Among things lost to sheol) We live in a world where we can take from all, not just around us. It's wonderful.
Imagine you can do anything but instead you create a loophole to beat your own rule. That's God.
He was having a cheat day when he showed mercy and had to justify it to himself with the whole Jesus thing. Like getting to have chocolate ice cream if I exercise, but one time I counted walking to the freezer as exercise.
Perhaps God's physical presence as the Holy Spirit remains present.
When they brought Jesus back I rolled my eyes and said, “Just like Gandalf eh?”
What’s up with all the heroes acquiring power over death? Must be some sort of conspiracy.
I'm pretty sure that it's the other way around?
Gandalf was inspired by Yeshua.
Sacrificing himself to himself to create a loophole for a rule that he created is no sacrifice at all.
Really it's about no longer needing to sacrifice animals, like lambs.
But it's funny to think of it like a game of the floor is lava. God says "The floor is lava!" And then the only way to make the floor not lava is for god to nose dive unto it.
Then He jumps up and proclaims the floor is no longer lava!
thats gonna get me a lot of downvotes:
~~if jesus god, why he die~~
i think this passage explains why Jesus took on human form:
Hebrews 2:16-18 (kjv)
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Or, in a more amplified way:
Hebrews 2:16-18 (amplified Bible)
16 For, as we all know, He (Christ) does not take hold of [the fallen] angels [to give them a helping hand], but He does take hold of [the fallen] descendants of Abraham [extending to them His hand of deliverance].
17 Therefore, it was essential that He had to be made like His brothers (mankind) in every respect, so that He might [by experience] become a merciful and faithful High Priest in things related to God, to make atonement (propitiation) for the people’s sins [thereby wiping away the sin, satisfying divine justice, and providing a way of reconciliation between God and mankind].
18 Because He Himself [in His humanity] has suffered in being tempted, He is able to help and provide immediate assistance to those who are being tempted and exposed to suffering.
So for pure nonsense reasons then.
Would you like your attorney to - like - get you? Or be totally ignorant to your situation?
Well I think I am Jesus, but I do not think I am god. I think i am conceived in coincidences that justify my belief. Birth names and whatnot, along with being the only person who goes past the barrier of all religions.
God is not your friend it a power to fear above you that you cannot control. Angels are your salvation from his wrath, knowledge saves. Angels just being messengers, but human nonetheless.
The world is a story and only few can encapsulate it.
Maybe his death was the ego death. That's pretty horrific but extremely liberating. I've had a few. I highly recommend.
Wait till you find out your demons are holy guardian angels, but you have to work with them and have manners.
Well, apparently there was all this inconvenience of crucifixion and the lance poking business.
So, there might have been some discomfort involved, but the whole "gave my life for your sins" thing does seem a bit of an exaggeration. Jesus you little rascal. tsk tsk tsk.