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[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

The environment we created for ourselves takes advantage of our evolution and uses our biology against us.

Food is drowned in sugar to get us addicted. Social media is designed to keep us angry and upset. Entertainment is a recycled polished turd, designed to take no risks and challenge nothing and leave us with shallow amusement.

We are losing our respect for the profound, our empathy for the other, and our curiosity for the unknown.

We have made a world of numbing poison for ourselves. A 29 day separation sounds like the most powerful “therapy” we could have tbh.

[–] selfdefense420@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

i was a camp host for a summer and it was possibly the best summer of my life. no power, no water, no internet, minimal contact with people, cleaning toilets, and spending half of my day in a kayak.

[–] theonetruedroid@lemmy.world 3 points 41 minutes ago

That sounds like a great way to spend a summer. I wouldn't mind running water but I'd probably learn to appreciate it after not having it for a few months.

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 14 points 1 hour ago

29 days without having to work all day long, deal with chores and family and whatever. And then sleep a couple of hours to do it again. This has nothing to deal with this person going to therapy.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Theraphy, when it works, only solves internal causes of one's pain.

29 days away from present day society, will for a while suspend the external causes of one's pain.

(Which is why the former usually doesn't fully solve everything: the external shit, which often is what indirectly created much of the internal shit via things like trauma and coping mechanisms, is still there and pushing you)

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

"lost at sea"

mf land right over there

????

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 57 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Oh fuck off. Therapy won’t help with… *gestures at everything*

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 32 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. It’s more like “people would rather be lost at sea than live in a modern society”.

[–] Ougie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

How bad can it be? /s

[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 37 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Quit crying. You'll be fine. Don't be such a crybaby. Man up. Put on your big boy pants. Boys don't cry. Boo hoo, gonna cry about it? Gonna cry like a little girl? Be a man. Face your problems like a man. Crying doesn't help anything. Take it like a man. Don't be a baby. You're acting like a girl. Grow a pair. Suck it up and move on.

Why will men do literally anything besides talk about their feelings?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

To be fair it's also men doing this to other men mostly. Women participate in toxic masculinity too, but really, men give each other a lot of shit with very little support.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 4 points 38 minutes ago (2 children)

Without giving away my age (But I do predates smart phones and home internet use), I've found men are perfectly fine with venting assuming the setting is right. Small group? Beer? Sure. Something embarrassing happens in the moment? Not so much.

Its everyone but your male friends who will give you shit for showing any emotion but anger.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 19 minutes ago

I can confirm this despite likely being younger. Small group and sufficient alcohol helps.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 35 minutes ago

You say "everyone" but it's still just other men.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago

anecdotally, as a guy in my thirties, even my acquaintances (wouldn't actually consider them friends tbh, since we only hang out at rec game times) are quite supportive. sure there's the surface level of shit talk, but if you start to get serious, they do too. a few of them surprised me with this.

in my experience nowadays, it's equally just shitty people of any gender that say suck it up, no real bias one way or another

but that's of course just my own circles. I tend to just drop out of (or not join in the first place) any circle that has shitty people

[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago

To be fair, who said it wasn't also men?

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 47 minutes ago

For sure, women usually say they want a man who can show his feelings. It's just that the second he does cry about anything other than a dead child, she gets the ick and loses all respect for him, in my personal experience. I think they talk a big game but when the chips are down they find out they're not actually as into it as they thought.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Therapy has become the new buzzword to prescribe to any individualistic issue because most people don't know what it is or who its for, they just think it's a silver bullet solution to everything because everybody else says so... but it's not.

Therapy is great for specific people with specific disorders, it's there to help provide these people with solutions and treatments to improve their conditions. It's not meant to be a replacement for a social circle or to fix the problems in your life.

Not to mention that therapy is either expensive or hard to access or the therapist you do get to see are usually not that great. It is very hard and very rare to find a good therapist that's affordable and nearby. Even then, a therapist can only do so much. They're trained to work through common disorders using several established methods, but not much beyond that. Therapists can help you overcome your anxiety, but they can't help you find meaningful relationships.

This is doubly true for men, because a lot of men are facing issues related to finding purpose and meaning in life, and that's something that's beyond the scope of therapy. Maybe these issues could be resolved as a result of treating a disorder, but that's not always the case. The point is that therapy is not a magical solution, and it's not going to solve huge societal problems like men turning their backs on society.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You say men are turning their backs on society. I would argue it's the other way round. Modern society has lots of problems unfortunately, and can be quite hostile especially to men.

[–] selfdefense420@lemmy.world 0 points 53 minutes ago

men built society. whatever problems are inherent in it were practically designed by men. as a matter of fact, the further we go, the more we slip away from the feminine qualities of our humanity (our more egalitarian hunter-gatherer roots). and as it begins to collapse around us, you incels are gonna cry about how it's unfair? fuck you. put your big boy pants on and deal with it. or better yet, retreat completely from it and let the people with honest consciences rebuild it.

god, i fucking hate incels.

[–] selfdefense420@lemmy.world 0 points 59 minutes ago

therapy also teaches a lot of sociopathic traits.

my SIL went through therapy recently (after getting into a weird polygamous relationship which allowed her the $$ to do so). she and my wife had lived through a pretty traumatic upbringing after their wonderful father died and left them to deal with a BPD mother who blew through the family money and left them to practically fend for themselves while being batshit crazy.

all the therapist taught her was to be selfish. she practically cut off contact with both her sister and mother and just got really good at doing what was best for herself and herself only. since then, her mother has become disabled and now my wife is having to deal with it all alone while the sister lives a very lavish life on a farm.

fuck therapy and fuck modern life in general. no wonder we're all becoming assholes.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 36 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Therapy doesn't help much if you have no power over the root cause

[–] devAlot@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Totally get where you're coming from. If you’re staring down the barrel of something massive like trauma, abuse, an enitre system that's completely fucked and seems way bigger than you and the others fighting it are or ever will be, it feels like no matter how much "self care" you do, the external crap stays the same, right?? It's fucking maddening.

But idk, to me, therapy (actual, good therapy with a non-shitty therapist) isn’t about giving us power over the root cause, not always anyways because like you said, sometimes it's impossible. Imo, a lot of times it’s about helping people stop handing more power to "it" (whatever it may be) than "it" already has. We don’t get to choose what happens to us sometimes, but we do get to choose how we respond to it, how we carry it, how we let it affect us, how we pass our pain onto others. It can be a super uncomfortable, yet extremely liberating, paradox. Like, okay, I might not be able to slay the dragon here (sorry, nerd here), but I can sure as hell stop feeding it in whatever way way I was (constant unhealthy thought patterns, my own actions or the lack thereof, etc).

Therapy doesn't fix the world for sure, but it can help us decide which parts of the suffering are necessary, or which parts we might be unconsciously choosing to carry longer than we need to. Idk, that’s where our power really is, imo.

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

My therapist is taking two weeks off for their own mental health, been hearing the same woes from everyone and it’s weighing

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Eh. Therapy is overrated. Tried it a bunch of times and it’s not nearly as effective for me as just… thinking.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 151 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

No, we'd rather be lost at sea than have to participate in the broken society that makes people need therapy.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

I lack the photoshop skills, but uh

The 'plap plap GET PREGNANT' meme, but with a therapist shouting:

'accept what you can't change'

'don't blame yourself for things out of your control'

'oh, the copay is $125'

'you missed the last appointment so we charged you for not canceling in advance'

'im worried you're not taking our sessions seriously'

sorry psych professionals, there is no ethical therapy under capitalism

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

there is no ethical therapy under capitalism

Lol

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 30 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

This is therapy. if I could just drop out of everything for 29 days I’d come back refreshed and Zen as fuck.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 1 hour ago

If I could drop out of everything for 29 days, I wouldn't come back at all.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm getting major surgery in two weeks and I'll be on short term disability for an entire month afterwards. I'm honestly really looking forward to the time off, even if it'll be full of physical suffering. My burnout outweighs the physical trauma of having nearly all of my reproductive organs removed.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I did the same, back during COVID lockdown. I think my body just started producing endorphins, because I stopped taking the painkillers and was totally at peace while everybody lost their minds over the isolation. I played The Outer Wilds and accepted that everything must end.

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I feel guilty saying it, because I know I was in a privileged position, with a job that could be done remotely and living close to nature, but I fucking loved COVID lockdown. I can’t remember being so happy since childhood. Everything just slowed down, and I spent more time with my family.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 42 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

"men hate therapy"

Yeah not really. You just get beaten down after trying several therapists and paying a lot and not feeling better. Even if you went through that once, it's very discouraging.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 28 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I have a great therapist these days who has helped me a lot. I still hate therapy. I did finally figure out why, though. Because, with the exception of therapy and a couple of really great people, everyone I've ever been vulnerable in front of has weaponized it against me. So even though I know my therapist wouldn't actually do that I'm still waiting on it to come back and bite me.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

Been dumped by three women, the day after they saw me cry. Good news! My wife is fine with it, as rare as crying is, and comforts me. But y'all women don't have a good track record in my book.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Yeah, the weaponization factor is real.

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

therapy costs money

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

therapy might get covered but costs money somewhere along the way. it might also lose you a job for 'unrelated' reasons.

you presumably get paid while lost at sea if you are part of the crew

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 70 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Just goes to show how insane society has become that you'd rather go to therapy than take a 29 day break by being lost at sea.

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[–] ashenone@lemmy.ml 49 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Therepy - costs money, needs an appointment, takes time to work out issues.

Lost at sea - free, no appointment necessary, immediate relief from the burden of living under capitalism

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