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[–] simple@piefed.social 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."

Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market. Even if they do make a new console, theyll put as much effort into it as the Xbox One.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Microsoft is trying to make Xbox into Windows: Where 3rd parties make the hardware and then license the platform from Microsoft. It's a vastly more profitable model. Especially if they get all those end users signed up for a subscription service.

The problem is that the world thinks of "Xbox" as a console (and a specific kind of controller). To pull this off Microsoft is going to have to re-brand Xbox entirely by making people think of it more like a game-specific app store that runs on Windows and special handheld hardware. It won't be easy.

There's a bigger problem with this plan though: No real coordination with the Windows OS team. Windows on handhelds sucks. The past twenty fucking years of Windows development has been almost entirely focused on improving enterprise features with very little attention paid to end users or gaming.

Growth in Windows gaming has come despite Microsoft's investments. Not because of them. In fact, I'd argue that if it weren't for Steam, Windows—as a gaming platform—would be a fraction of what it is today.

Don't get me wrong, though! I love this new Xbox roadmap! Windows gaming has been holding back Linux desktop adoption for far too long. The latest benchmarks that show games on SteamOS vastly outperforming the new Xbox-branded handhelds pretty clearly demonstrates all that bashing of Windows by Linux nerds was deeply accurate.

It turns out that Linux on the desktop really is superior! 🤣

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So basically they're trying to do what Trip Hawkins did with the 3DO in 1993. In order for that to work, you're going to have to convince people to pay PC hardware prices first. Two issues:

  1. Third party manufacturers aren't going to sell at a loss,

  2. Sony will continue to sell their consoles at a loss, which means everyone will just buy their consoles instead.

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the xbone was the last console I bought. Soured the pot so bad on what I enjoyed about console gaming. I already had a PC, but still enjoyed the couch casual sessions that seemingly don't exist, and haven't for over a decade

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

What will happen to the games library? If only the ROG Xbox Ally can play Xbox Series X|S games…

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I feel her pain. Seamus Blackly and Jay Allard probably feel the same.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

F tier click bait. Literally nothing informative was said in here.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

"There is literally no reason to buy this handheld," Fryer opined of the ROG Xbox Ally. "

You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.

Gotta say, from the few times I've come across her channel, she seems like a shit-stirrer, and right wing rage baiters seem to love quoting her.

But what is the long-term plan?

To transition to a world where "Xbox" is the brand slapped across Microsoft's Windows gaming endeavors and they mostly serve as a Game Pass purveyor and the largest third party publisher by market cap.

Where are the new hits?

This one is really surprising as a question, because if you could will hits into existence, everyone would do it, but for a publisher of their size, they're doing more in recent years to create new franchises than most, even if they then lay off the team behind Hi-Fi Rush. South of Midnight came out this year; Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, and Grounded all came out of Obsidian as well as the much smaller Pentiment; and Clockwork Revolution got a sizable demo on display just this summer.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sure they can but I think they also see the growth in the PC gaming industry as a potential opportunity to capitalize with "XBOX OS".

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

With "optimized for gaming" premise? That's obviously nothing more than "hey we decided to allow you to terminate resource hungry explorer/copilot/edge when you play".

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago
[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I just assumed they hired the same person that was previously in charge of naming Street Fighter games from Capcom. I was sure the next Xbox would be named something like Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That'd still be better than Xbox S, Xbox Series X, Xbox One S

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago

I literally have no idea what generation of console any of those names are from.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Super Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting EX Plus Turbo & Knuckles

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

With the rise of game streaming services like Xbox Cloud Gaming and Amazon Luna I predict that the console market is basically over. I honestly don’t expect Microsoft to release another console and if Sony does it’s almost certain to be the last. Nintendo may stick with it longer since they just released the Switch2 but they seem to be prepping for it with the digital key thing.

It sucks for the players but it makes fiscal sense for the Publishers and Console Makers (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) if there is an industry wide pivot to game streaming where players are required to pay every month. I know that some games don’t lend themselves well to this, yet, but it’s blatantly obvious (at least to me) that this is where the industry is headed.

We’ve already reached the end of “Console Exclusive” games and I think what comes next is “Streaming Platform Exclusive” games. I think what comes after that is the Publishers establishing their own Streaming Platforms for their own games.

This is precisely what has happened with the rest of the entertainment industry and there’s no reason I can see for gaming, which is a subset of that same industry, to do anything else now that the streaming technology exists.

Steam and GOG will end up pushed out of the market or they will also become Streaming Platforms, just ones that cater to a different set of players.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Streaming has plateaued, and I don't see anyone overcoming that plateau. The console market is coming to an end, but the transition is to PC gaming, not streaming, and we can measure that.

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

“Console gaming is coming to an end”

Yeah, if your XBOX.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Steam will end up pushed out of the market

This has been explicitly attempted 3 times already, and that really didn't work out well for anybody who tried it.

Epic Games Store still resorts to bribing people with free games to keep their monthly active user numbers up, hemorrhaging money to attract users who are rarely interested in anything more than freebies.

EA and Ubisoft tried to forgo Steam releases in favor of their own stores and launchers in an attempt to keep 100% of the revenue. They eventually relented, releasing their games on Steam again. Even Blizzard joined in, adding Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 to Steam.

And Microsoft's attempt to dethrone Steam by releasing games through the Windows app store just ended up with Valve funneling considerable resources into helping Linux and WINE become a viable alternative to Windows for gaming.

Unless Valve enshittifies or legal shenanigans ensue, they're pretty unlikely to be pushed out of the market. No single game or game series is good enough to capture the entire market of Steam users and permanently drive them to alternative platforms. On top of that, Steam has a huge following of users who are loyal to the company, which is both insane and insanely hard to compete against.

or they will also become Streaming Platforms

Maybe, maybe not. I don't see it happening, though. Valve makes money hand over fist from digital sales alone, and they have more to lose in pissing off their customers by selling subscriptions than they have to gain by selling subscriptions.

I am concerned about GOG and PC hardware prices, though.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago

I can't see streaming games being anything other than a niche market. It puts the burden onto the streamer, in order to be competitive they look after constantly be upgrading their offering, they will have to have multiple server centres around the world, they will always be beholden to crappy ISPs who just don't upgrade their infrastructure.

With local hardware you shortcut all of that, upgrading of your hardware is done by the user so they're not going to complain if it's out of date, you don't have to have any server centres, and the ISP issues either don't matter for single player games that were massively reduced for multiplayer games, now they don't actually have to send video over the connection. .

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Makes sense honestly. I am incredibly underwhelmed with my series x.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Waiting for xsx to go on clearance

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