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'Xbox Hardware Is Dead,' Says Founding Team Member, 'It Looks Like Xbox Has No Desire — Or Literally Can't — Ship Hardware Anymore' - IGN (www.ign.com)
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[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I've watched a video of hers before. My takeaway was that Microsoft is a heavily bloated company that suffocates internal development but with the OG Xbox and early 360, they were like a side bet that didn't have a great deal of oversight from MS Windows/Office/Server mega money eyes.

They didn't have a great deal of internal dev studios but they were really good at identifying third party exclusives to pursue and early on managed them and the few studios they did fully acquire well. It worked well for the first Xbox and first half 360. It differentiated the Xbox/360 from Nintendo and Playstation

Then I guess success led to changes in leadership aimed at growth and using Xbox as a platform to push more MS services and they lost the focus and ability to identify and secure great third party exclusives. That coupled with not having internal game dev teams in numbers and experience like Nintendo and Sony meant if they didn't hit with their living room smart device dominance ambition, they'd just have a worse PlayStation. That's what they ended up with with the XOne - a worse PS4. Then it happened again with the XSX because of lack of execution with their internal studios. An XSX just became a PS5-lite library-wise

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, they think the Internet will get so quick that people will just stream every game from the cloud from any device and they want to be the leader of that.

[–] ShittDickk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Then maybe they should take comcast to court over their 10 years unchanged 1.2 terabyte monthly data cap seeing as they can afford to.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

that would be cool. but id rather be able to download xbox games on my phone and play them offline

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm all for Asus handheld becoming the future of Windows for consumer. Have little interest now in keeping it as a personal PC. Linux is the way now thanks to them force feeding Copilot and screen grabber.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Why should they be focused on it? Xbox is now just a slimmed down Windows pc. You can play the exact same games on a pc, with access to the same storefront.

What’s the problem exactly?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Microsoft's original plan was to own the living room the way they own the office space. Not just gaming, but all your movies, TV, shopping, etc. could be done through the XBox.

Kinect was a particularly big jump in that regard. There were demos of AR-type stuff where you could see yourself wearing clothes you might want to buy. You could move around and the clothes on screen would move with your body. There's some promo videos of that, but nothing concrete ever came of it.

Now they have slagging sales for two generations, and a AAA industry that struggles to make a real hit and is laying off a lot of people. They can't even hold onto the core gaming market much less get their tendrils into the rest of the living room. They then release a handheld that's basically an upgrade of an existing handheld that wasn't selling very well, but now with XBox branding.

Is this a problem for the rest of us? No, not really. There's plenty of alternatives, and we don't need to care. Is this the result the money people at Microsoft envisioned when they started this ~25 years ago? No, not at all.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

For wanting to own the living room, they never tried particularly hard. PS3 was a damned successful blueray player. They just needed to give you a nice, curated experience and ease of use. There were literally people buying PS3's because they were cheaper than blueray players at the time

[–] octobob@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, just like PS2 and the DVD player built in. Being able to play movies up in my bedroom as an 11 year old was amazing. It was also the most cost effective way to buy something that could play DVDs and the cutting edge games at the time. There's a reason why the PS2 remains the best selling console of all time

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, Sony is just better at this. They're really good at taking advantage of their competitors' mistakes.

We forget a lot now, but the opening of the PS3/Xbox 360 era looked like Microsoft was winning. Sales looked good for them, Blu-ray be damned. Then the Red Ring of Death hits. In some ways, Microsoft has yet to recover from that. Sony held their face just above the toilet water ever since.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

The end goal of all of that is to sell software. If they can do that without supporting a massive pipeline for selling custom hardware, that makes sense.

[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 13 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

While this is bad for the market, it's also entirely expected.

Xbox have been producing sub-par hardware with names no one can remember and barely any exclusives, it was only a matter of time.

To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I've only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I've never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

Their current gen is hamstrung by the existence of the Series S, and the utter lack of features in their controllers (no gyroscope or any motion sensors ? No advanced rumble ? No touchpad ?). No one who is serious about controller gaming buys an Xbox controller, especially because of the lack of gyro.

Their dedication to digital-only and pushing the games pass also alienates anyone who wishes to play physical games and/or offline.

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I bought an Xbox Series controller and I was shocked by how shitty it is, especially compared to the wired 360 controller I had for years. Bought a DualSense and it’s so much better in every way.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

this is surprising to me i think the series controller is the best controller ever made. well i have a starfield one its slightly smaller and has a fun texture on the back

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I have a 360, which is the xbox 2

[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

i have it too, and i used it a lot, but most people i knew at that time went for Sony

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

X360 launched a full year before PS3, seemed great compared to the ancient PS2. Had a rough start with the red ring of death, but it recovered and did very well. X360 sales were higher for most of the generation but PS3 eventually beat them by a small margin for the final count.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

I think I need to JTAG mine, I have an optical disc drive emulator but I would like some home brews too

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In the uk I remember the 360 being huge and nobody having a ps3, but now I'm not sure I know a single person who bought an xb1 or whatever the current one is called.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

360 was a big hit because everyone wanted to play halo. Honestly outside of that I don't think there was any other exclusives. At least none that I can remember

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 4 hours ago

It also launched a year or two before the ps3 and I feel like it was significantly cheaper. Xbox Live also seemed to be huge despite the cost, probably some network effect in action. I remember Gears of War being another big name they had.

[–] trigonated@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I've only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I've never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

Barely, lol. Knew 1 person who had an og Xbox and 1 who had a 360. Newer than that, nope.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago

I think that xbox controller are the best controllers for PC, so I don't need all the advanced features, but otherwise, you are right.

Their market is now clearly gamepass + Windows. Microsoft is banking on their market share to sell gamepass and capture the market.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 13 hours ago

OTOH I only have a PS5 because of Sony's marketing budget, lol (non-slim version included with a Sony phone on contract, so technically also a way for them to clear stock, lmao)

But yeah, I don't know any people with a recent Xbox here in Sweden. In the original Xbox era and the 360 era I think they had a big lead here, but after that I've seen much more Sony represented.

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