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multi-party bourgeois democracy has proven to be too much of a hassle in both instances. there is heavy foreign interference, primarily through fostering the opposition and by direct coup attempts. if you attempt to work within the capitalist system as a socialist you'll associate every misfortune caused by the economic structure of society with socialism. eventually as us sanctions continue to strangle your economy and destroy your nation you'll be voted out and it'll all have been for nothing. i genuinely do not see how allowing the current state of things continue is in anyway beneficial to their programme. seizing power would prevent any overturning of the present reforms and allow for the cementing of revolutionary control. the west will never consider you legitimate as long as you are in opposition to their interests, they'll consider you a dictator no matter what you do.

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 7 points 2 hours ago

I think Petro is trying to cook up a move like this right now

They don't have a totally solid mass base of support so attempting to do so would trigger a reaction that in all likelihood receive US support.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 hours ago

On top of legitimacy concerns, there's also the concern that the US might give them the Cuba treatment and blockade all trade indefinitely.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 33 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The people just aren’t up for it. And when you don’t have the people behind you, you’ll get couped if not straight up murdered trying to do something like that.

It’s easy to get a warped view from the comforts of Western internet left that fetishizes the DPRK and Cuba, but let me tell you that very very few people even in poor Global South countries want to live like that. They’d rather believe that working hard to sell cheap goods to foreigners can at least earn them some treats in return, than to completely upend their entire lives and being confined to material poverty like in Cuba or the DPRK. You need people to be ideologically committed to your program and willing to endure the economic hardships that come with it.

This is why people took the risk to cross borders illegally because they believe that the such risks and the hardships that accompanied the arduous journey are worth more than staying where they are with little hope to offer in economic and material terms.

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They were elected through bourgeois elections, meaning several of the bourgeois checks and balances are still in place.

Until the countries have more popular struggle, the system will remain as is, probably.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 1 points 12 minutes ago

What do you think of the idea that Petro wants to push for some kind of popular uprising to consolidate power against the bourgeois systems? I feel like his anti-institutional calls to action lately are going in that direction, but also I might just be seeing what I want to see.