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Daily reminder that
- Brave's CEO donates to homophobic organizations and
- Brave is connected to the BAT pay-to-surf scam
Don't use Brave.
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2025
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- Brave is based on Chromium and therefore helps contribute to Google having hegemony over web standards.
Always use a Firefox-based browser, even if you think Mozilla sucks.
At least until Ladybird is ready. I hope they are not under too much pressure to rush things so we get a truly independent web browser.
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Yup! It is noted in the highlighted text in red. I've had several people respond that they didn't know about it, and would be making the switch away :)
Never had a good feeling about that one.
It's a shitty "secure" browser to begin with imho
I'm waiting for Servo (I know it's not a browser) & LadyBird.
Also reminder that StartPage is majority-owned by American ad company Sytem1
stop promoting brave. oh my god it's 2025 how good is their propaganda... they were never cool.
Worth noting about Startpage: they're part of System1, an American advertising/marketing company. Sytem1 claims that privacy is one of the biggest focuses though. Make of that what you will.
I wish Kagi was not American. I was pretty happy with it until America became a thread
Me too. Kagi is the best of them all, including Google.
The only downside? It's an American company.
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Anyone noticed google brought back forum seaching again? I left google search way back just because that feature went away.
Either way I can't stand the AI answers I can't turn off.
Not a search engine, but last week I learned of the European Open Websearch project, which builds a new free and open search index. It should already be ready to try out. Hopefully we will see some search engines implementing this soon.
Yacy. Self hosted p2p ( or local only ) search engine. Crawl the Web yourself.
What kind of storage space does it take up, and how good are the results?
Of course, it depends on how you set the crawler, i.e. how deep because of subdomains and how far links to other domains etc. are.
I crawl 71 pages: My index is currently 4,576,319 documents ( i crawled sites like github too )and occupies just under 14GB
The results depend on several factors. For example, whether you only use local or p2p. But then it also has a number of settings and you can also explicitly control what is responsible for the results down to the smallest detail. But I have to be honest and say that I haven't dealt with this at all (especially since it's a bit complex in some cases) because I want to expand my list of pages to crawl myself first and I only use it locally. I still regularly use duckduckgo to search. However, if you take the time for it you will get what you want in terms of quality of results.
Ah well, depending on how you set up the crawler, it consumes system resources accordingly. However, you can set and limit the utilization of RAM and storage space. The same goes for network utilization, which is pretty important because otherwise no other connections would be possible besides crawling xD
This is exciting, TBH.
I'm going to try it out! Storage space be damned ๐
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They're basically all compromised in one way or another. ๐
For Search, it is about finding the least bad option and hope that they will become more independent. Mojeek (fully independent but poor quality) or Qwant (building own index, but dependent on Bing)
Can't wait to get some news about Qwant and Ecosia new index
I really wish Kagi wasn't American. Kagi is such a good product, and I'd be willing to pay for it, but in no universe am I willing to pump more money into silicon valley.
For now Iโll stick with SearXNG, itโs among the first things I get up and running when I distro hop, but Iโm glad there are other non-US options to try.
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Pretty weak chart to not even include "I care most about porn search"
I recommend Ecosia!
Very strange to put Kagi as โless privateโ when itโs the only non-self-hosted option that allows for completely private searches with their Privacy Pass tokens. You can access them with Tor, pay with crypto (not really that private though), and sign up with a fake email. https://kagi.com/privacy#anonymity
It isn't marked as less private. It is grayed out because it is not based in Europe. I personally use them as I find them the best option with what is out there.
The text at the bottom says โkagi doesnโt collect any identifying data, but does require an account, so it is considered less private than the alternativesโ.
I think that's Walnut's nod to the fact that PrivacyGuides still hasn't wrapped their head around the concept of paid search.
I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that Kagi's Privacy Pass is any less private than any other search option on the market, but long ago PG defined private search as "not requiring an account" and are completely locked up on that concept.
Even though just about every VPN on the planet (and all of their recommended ones) require accounts, as do most of the other services they recommend. The world is just so used to "free" search (which just sells your data or your time) that they don't know what to do with a new business model.
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I've been happy with DDG for so long. Uuugh.
Honestly I shopped around a lot and tried various services for 7 days each. In the end I came back to DDG because it's the most useful engine to me. It delivers results I look for and doesn't get in the way.
As a result I'm not quite satisfied, but it will have to do for now.
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Stract is impressive I don't know what more people don't know about it
I changed to Ecosia when I last saw this chart. It's working really well and is my main search engine across all my devices now.
But now I'm considering moving to Mojeek if that's better for privacy.
Ecosia is based in the EU and it's working together with Qwant to build an European index. But Ecosia's mission is planting trees, and in order to do that they need revenue, which comes from targeted advertising.
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