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[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Define 'you'.

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If it's jot you then the question becomes, are you willing to commit suicide so a reasonable facsimile of you can save some strangers.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm willing to die to save people, so if some version of me actually gets to survive it, with there being a chance that it is me, then there's no reason for me not to do it.

[–] lazyViking@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Are you willing to die to save any people?

[–] SippyCup 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People dumb enough to nap on a trolley trail? No. rich people? Also no.

Actually this would be faster the other way around.

Orphans with chronic diseases who, should they be saved stand a reasonable chance at a cure and a long, prosperous and happy life?

Also no.

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It won't be me and, unless I have some loved one there, I'm not thoughtlessly jumping into suicide.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If it's a wormhole or Niven-style teleporter, it's unarguably you coming through the process. Star Trek... I'll grant that the conversation gets a little more complicated.

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[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I think teleportation is a really interesting philosophical question. If life is deterministic and there is no soul, then there should be no problem with teleportation. From a deterministic atheist perspective it should not be a problem, I wouldn't teleport myself though 😅

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think it's mostly a semantic argument: nothing is being "teleported", it's a copy. That copy will surely be a perfect copy of me at time T, and after T we'll drift and become different folks, but a copy of me is not me, and if you punch the copy it doesn't hurt me. SOMA showcases it pretty well! Anything else cannot even be conceived, right? And even if matter could be "transported" FTL into a different place, wouldn't the "zipping" process destroy me? The silver cord would be cut, and even if the person on the other side wakes up feeling like me, I would already be gone. It's consciousness and the vessel for consciousness, not one or the other.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is the same reason I feel like peoples ideas of being “uploaded to the Matrix” are just as flawed. All of the same talking points but with a digital output. Being uploaded means death because my consciousness will cease to exist and simply be emulated by a computer after.

The only one who gain the benefit of me uploading is everyone but myself.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

That one I can almost see happening but not full 'upload' style. It would have to be gradual in like a Ship of Theseus' style where the parts that make you 'you' are gradually replaced with digital equivalents.

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[–] malloc@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Depends if teleportation uses TCP or UDP

[–] lemsip@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And what compression algorithm are they using?

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[–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

UDP teleportation sounds pretty questionable.

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[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago

Doesn't that make it even more selfless?

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 week ago

Doesn't it depend if the teleporter open a up a wormhole or used replication?

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Clone myself.

Send clone through teleporter to pull lever.

360 no scope snipe the imposter clone motherfucker.

Claim credit for saving people.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 1 week ago

If you teleport the people off the tracks then you can kill them all while still taking credit for saving them.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

My concern would be less about whether it sends the original or creates a perfect copy, but more about how reliable it is. Getting Riker'd/Boimler'd would be okay, but having more than a negligible chance of any other sort of transporter accident would definitely give me pause.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You’ve shed and replaced every atom that you were made of when you were born and many times over since then, are you still that same entity?

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Yeah, but you didn't shed them all at once. If the ship of Theseus exploded, and then they built a new one, the question wouldn't be, "Which is the true ship of Theseus?" it would be, "Hey, did you guys see Theseus' new ship?"

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[–] xeekei@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Shit like this always remind me of the videogame SOMA.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I tend to think what "you" are is the pattern formed by the various electrical and chemical signals in your brain and whatever other parts of your body are involved in cognition, and since patterns are ultimately information, and a completely identical copy of some information is the same information with nothing to distinguish it, that a sufficiently perfect copy of you literally is you, and as such, if the teleporter works the way fictional teleporters are generally described as working, then yes, it is you.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

For everyone else, yes. But the you you are now will cease to exist. Your consciousness won’t transfer.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 11 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I don't believe continuity of consciousness is actually required to maintain the identity of consciousness, is the thing. I think that, if you died, and then were brought back some how, you wouldn't have some "new" consciousness that merely think it's the first one, but literally would have the first one again, to the degree that such a thing can be called the same from moment to moment even under normal circumstances anyway.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I know how teleportation machines work and I won't be using one.

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[–] SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Trolly Problem of Thesius

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[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Easiest one ever, ship of thesius here I come!

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (24 children)

Define "you." An identical collection and pattern of atoms and subatomic particles? Then yes. A continuous consciousness as experienced by the "me" on the entry side of the teleporter? No.

Would I kill myself to save five lives and create one? Yes

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] oo1@lemmings.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Are there any flies buzzing around?

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

No but theres billions of microbes on you

[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago

But if I don't do it, I'm not who I think I am.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

If we’re talking about atom-by-atom reconstruction, then the question is about philosophical zombies.

I don’t put much stock in any philosophies that say ~~you~~ the constructed being definitely would be a zombie. But I do believe in the possibility that ~~you~~ the constructed being could be a zombie.

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