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[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Define 'you'.

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If it's jot you then the question becomes, are you willing to commit suicide so a reasonable facsimile of you can save some strangers.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm willing to die to save people, so if some version of me actually gets to survive it, with there being a chance that it is me, then there's no reason for me not to do it.

[–] lazyViking@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you willing to die to save any people?

[–] SippyCup 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

People dumb enough to nap on a trolley trail? No. rich people? Also no.

Actually this would be faster the other way around.

Orphans with chronic diseases who, should they be saved stand a reasonable chance at a cure and a long, prosperous and happy life?

Also no.

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[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Clone myself.

Send clone through teleporter to pull lever.

360 no scope snipe the imposter clone motherfucker.

Claim credit for saving people.

[–] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is cloning that much faster than running to the lever? Do you also keep a cloning machin always handy on you?

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

The teleporter is basically a cloning machine

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are there any flies buzzing around?

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

No but theres billions of microbes on you

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 days ago

Doesn't it depend if the teleporter open a up a wormhole or used replication?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 2 days ago

If you teleport the people off the tracks then you can kill them all while still taking credit for saving them.

[–] malloc@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Depends if teleportation uses TCP or UDP

[–] lemsip@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And what compression algorithm are they using?

[–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

UDP teleportation sounds pretty questionable.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You’ve shed and replaced every atom that you were made of when you were born and many times over since then, are you still that same entity?

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Yeah, but you didn't shed them all at once. If the ship of Theseus exploded, and then they built a new one, the question wouldn't be, "Which is the true ship of Theseus?" it would be, "Hey, did you guys see Theseus' new ship?"

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[–] SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Trolly Problem of Thesius

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The traveling salesmans trolley problem of Theseus if you try to find out first how to get everywhere efficiently.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It won't be me and, unless I have some loved one there, I'm not thoughtlessly jumping into suicide.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If it's a wormhole or Niven-style teleporter, it's unarguably you coming through the process. Star Trek... I'll grant that the conversation gets a little more complicated.

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[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (21 children)

I think teleportation is a really interesting philosophical question. If life is deterministic and there is no soul, then there should be no problem with teleportation. From a deterministic atheist perspective it should not be a problem, I wouldn't teleport myself though 😅

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[–] xeekei@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Shit like this always remind me of the videogame SOMA.

[–] EddoWagt 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Have had that game in my library for years, maybe I need to play it

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[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago

Doesn't that make it even more selfless?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Define "you." An identical collection and pattern of atoms and subatomic particles? Then yes. A continuous consciousness as experienced by the "me" on the entry side of the teleporter? No.

Would I kill myself to save five lives and create one? Yes

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My concern would be less about whether it sends the original or creates a perfect copy, but more about how reliable it is. Getting Riker'd/Boimler'd would be okay, but having more than a negligible chance of any other sort of transporter accident would definitely give me pause.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I know how teleportation machines work and I won't be using one.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 15 points 2 days ago (20 children)

I tend to think what "you" are is the pattern formed by the various electrical and chemical signals in your brain and whatever other parts of your body are involved in cognition, and since patterns are ultimately information, and a completely identical copy of some information is the same information with nothing to distinguish it, that a sufficiently perfect copy of you literally is you, and as such, if the teleporter works the way fictional teleporters are generally described as working, then yes, it is you.

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[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago

But if I don't do it, I'm not who I think I am.

[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Easiest one ever, ship of thesius here I come!

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