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New Zealand passes record suspension of lawmakers over haka (www.dw.com)

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The New Zealand Parliament has voted to impose record suspensions on three lawmakers who did a Maori haka as a protest. The incident took place last November during a debate on a law on Indigenous rights.

New Zealand's parliament on Thursday agreed to lengthy suspensions for three lawmakers who disrupted the reading of a controversial bill last year by performing a haka, a traditional Maori dance.

Two parliamentarians — Te Pati Maori co-leaders Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi — were suspended for 21 days and one — Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke, from the same party — for seven days.

Before now, the longest suspension of a parliamentarian in New Zealand was three days.

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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 46 points 6 days ago

Settler colonial government doing what settler colonial governments do.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

I don't know anything about New Zealand, or Maori culture, or history, or parliamentary procedure, or the Treaty Principles Bill, or the hearings that led to this decision, or the Haka, or sociology, or anthropology, or race relations, or indigenous issues, but I think...

why don't they just have everyone do their hakas at the start, like in the rugby?

[–] Justathroughdaway@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

As someone who is half-Maori this just embarrasses me. I don't have a problem with people celebrating their heritage and culture just do it in a more appropriate time and place. I wouldn't have a problem with Irish people celebrating the Saint Patrick's Day just as long as they don't do it during a meeting at parliament.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maori lawmakers staged a dramatic protest in New Zealand's parliament on Thursday over a controversial bill that seeks to redefine the country's founding agreement between the indigenous Maori people and the British Crown.

Seems like as valid a way to protest vile revisionism and cowardly pandering to a foreign monarch.

[+] Justathroughdaway@lemmy.world -7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No it isn't. If this was on the street then it would be fine but this was a place of law and order where if you don't like something you talk about it like an adult. It was totally unprofessional and performative.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

this was a place of law and order

Clearly not, given what was being proposed. This was a legislative attempt to reneg on existing agreements between the Maori People and the British State. It was wildly illegal and provoked an appropriately outraged response.

What the legislators were protesting was the legislative equivalent of a mugging. The exact opposite of law and order. ACT New Zealand's delegates are lucky they got out of there with a bit of dancing. In other countries, that kind of blatant criminality is a hanging offense.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Where i want congress to pick up the old tradition of thowimg raw chicken at each other

[–] Justathroughdaway@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm missing out on a lot of context here.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

At keast once lawmakers started throwing raw chicken meat at each otger during a session to protest sone tarrif.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Unpopular opinion but interruption is interruption no matter the form. I do agree with the native protest here but I wouldn't read into this ruling too much as any governing body would take this position. Weak governing rule set creates these loopholes like the American filibuster which imo is a bug not a feature.

[+] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I support the suspensions. If all the other members abide by the same rules except for these ones then it makes sense reprimand them for disrupting the duties of parliament. These lawmakers were elected to be the voice of the people they represent. If they're not using their voice to explain why they oppose the bill or what their proposed alternatives are then they're not doing their job. Screaming and tearing up papers is just annoying and wasting everyone's time.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You are being downvoted because, whether you realize it or not, what you wrote is extremely racist.

These are Maori. It’s their land and their traditions, and they are being attacked for both by white, authoritarian colonists. It’s unacceptable.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

These lawmakers were elected to be the voice of the people they represent.

https://www.dw.com/en/new-zealand-42000-demonstrate-support-for-maori-rights/a-70816454

New Zealand: 42,000 demonstrate support for Maori rights

Thousands turned out despite the bill having little chance of becoming law, saying it was important to show the extent of dissent

but feel free to keep jerkin it to 'norms and civility', i suppose jagoff

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand that norms and civility are a requirement for a peaceful, well functioning democracy. If you see them as a nuisance then you're either an authoritarian or an idiot. Like seriously, do you think society is going to function if every self righteous politician start being obnoxious when something doesn't go their way? That braindead mentality is literally how we ended up with Trump and MAGA in the US. It is THE first pillar to fall when on your way to authoritarianism.

These politicians can support or oppose whatever they want, it's their job to do so. However, disrupting the duties of the parliament is not a part of their job, and they know that. If a couple of white politicians in New Zealand started doing berserker rituals every time something doesn't go their way in parliament, will you still be making excuses? If not, then you hold double standards and you're racist. They're the same people, in the same country, and they should abide by customs that they set for themselves. The New Zealand parliament usually has 120, 117 members with vastly different opinions can conduct themselves just fine, 3 can't. Those 3 got suspended.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When the Maori invade england and start forcing their customs on the people there, then maybe you might come somewhere close to pointing out a double standard. (also, berserker brits, lol what a concept)

We don't have Trump because people started behaving poorly, we have Trump because there's been half a century of constricting living standards and a wealthy political duopoly that just doesn't care. Obama bailing out the banks rather than the people that lost their homes did more to kill civility than anything Trump has done.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

When the Maori invade england and start forcing their customs on the people there, then maybe you might come somewhere close to pointing out a double standard.

But the framing is wrong. If Maori invaded Britain 250 years ago and over time, the two peoples mixed and created a well run multi racial liberal democracy where all it's citizens enjoy full rights, then the same standard applies. If a couple of politicians of British origin were being obnoxious and were disrupting the duties of the parliament, and the rest of the politicians decided to suspend them for their behavior, then I would be fully in favor of that too. Being of a specific ethnicity doesn't get anyone a pass to be obnoxious.

also, berserker brits, lol what a concept

It's not a concept, it's actual history. The vikings were a big part of British history.

We don’t have Trump because people started behaving poorly, we have Trump because there’s been half a century of constricting living standards and a wealthy political duopoly that just doesn’t care. Obama bailing out the banks rather than the people that lost their homes did more to kill civility than anything Trump has done.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, they go together hand in hand. Think about it, who focuses the most on useless shit like culture wars that are meant to stir fear and anger in people in our political landscape? It's almost always either corrupt politicians or obnoxious idiots, often times it's both. The point is that the people who are making things worse are also the people who have no manners, ethics, or morals.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 297 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

“Are our voices too loud for this house? Is that the reason why we are being silenced? Are our voices shaking the core foundation of this house? The house we had no voice in building ...We will never be silenced and we will never be lost,” she said.

Fucking powerful.

Despite the signing of the treaty in 1840, there were many bloody conflicts between the colonial government and Maori tribes in ensuing years, resulting in the confiscation of large amounts of Maori land. Tensions remain to this day between New Zealand's Indigenous people and the descendants of the Europeans who colonized their country.

Hey nice, journalism with a backbone!

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[–] Noerknhar@feddit.org 226 points 1 week ago (67 children)

Well that sounds like some quality racism over there.

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 199 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

"a manner that could have the effect of intimidating a member of the house."

Oh go fuck yourself. Can the haka be intimidating as hell? Oh god yes. But you should also be able to recognize the difference between active intimidation and a powerful protest. Especially when YOUR COUNTRY IS KNOWN FOR IT.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 150 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I can probably count a million little “traditions” that parliament follows that are based on Christianity and western colonial culture. But a haka is unacceptable

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