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The current laws surrounding guns in the US is probably going to make the inventable next civil war a lot worse in terms of deaths.

My opinion has also shifted over time, but not quite in the way I expected. I was also very anti-gun and pro-gun control, and maybe you can make an argument that I was being naive or that I've succumbed to the decades-long conservative culture war, but I feel like things have gotten so bad that we can't possibly rely on the police or the military to be able to effectively protect us in times of crisis anymore.

Seems like cops are more likely to shoot you than help you these days, and the military might be under the control of someone competent, or under the control of a fascist demagogue who replaces all the generals with incompetent yes-men, which is a huge national security threat for a disarmed populace. Also, the government using the military against it's citizens (or non citizen residents) is definitely not off the table - no matter what pretty words the soldiers said about defending the constitution, a lot of them are in bed with the folk who want to exterminate "the enemy within".

Maybe if we had more stability we could make a push for more restrictive gun laws, but I don't think it's politically feasible for either party at this point to make any such suggestion. The tragic part is that mass shootings will continue unabated until we find a way to counteract them without touching on the subject of gun control.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, I don't want somebody's hobby to be the reason why school shootings persist in the hundreds every year. On the other hand, the best way for minorities to protect their rights is to be armed and dangerous. I think the only way for certain to advance as a society is stricter gun laws overall to keep the impule purchases away.

That could have been achieved 20 years ago with logical induction on a few things and a thought experiment.

Also Ukraine gave up its nukes voluntarily , and the common opinion was that the Cold War is over and nobody is going to need weapons, except for fighting criminals and terrorists. Russia didn't ask for Ukraine's nukes so persistently. USA did, but not everything USA demanded in those years was given.

So the analogy is very fine, it was also understood to be a mistake to give Russia those nukes even before the first Maidan. Somewhere around second Chechen war.

Humanity is stupid.

Seriously, no way. I'm giving up my guns now that we have brown coats.

Consider these two events

I don't think that's what the SCOTUS was thinking about when they reached this ruling.

More likely it was California man arrested near Kavanaugh’s home, charged with attempted murder of justice

If you want to fight fascism if things go south, you’ll need weapons

I guess. But you also need widespread popular support. Randos with guns acting independently aren't any better at repelling fascist governments than unarmed protestors.

What American liberals lack isn't merely guns, it's militias.

I think having weapons is purely a stress reduction tool, similar to xanax. Makes you calm to have them around, but when you need them they won't help much. Incredibly risky things to have around in any sort of quickly usable manner as well.

Consider Waco, TX. And that was 30 years ago before the massive leaps forward in drone, communications, satellite and digital technology.

Having guns does not protect you from the government. It may even barely protect you from an armed burglary. Guns are largely used for hunting deer shooting stationary paper indoors.

If you actually want to use guns to fight back against the government you needed to have built your fortified underground structure which is completely sound proof and infrared proof, and fully self sustaining for air, food, water and sewer filled with hundreds of people by now.

Well, yeah. NOW of all times is exactly when the fascists would want to disarm the populace.