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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been called eco-fascist for suggesting anything that might help the environment, no matter how small. I'm not impressed by this buzzword.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I feel like you can't blame the corpos 100% and then proceed to do nothing to help the environment. Like I get that capitalism and unnecessary waste driven by it are by and large the problem, but it feels like people just use that as an excuse to put in zero effort personally and continue to live their lifestyle of overconsumption. It's very defeatist imo.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 4 points 23 hours ago

"Humans are the virus" is related to the racist "overpopulation" myth which leads straight to eugenics. Sure, many words are overused, but "political ideology that combines environmentalism with fascist principles, often advocating for authoritarian measures to address ecological issues" is a bad thing.

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

When I am ill with an infection, I care not that "Not All Bacteria" cause the illness, I still take antibiotics all the same. If I have cancer, I do not give a shit that Not All Cancer Cells will destroy my organs, I still seek chemotherapy.

Capitalism is entirely a human invention, and the most widely adopted ideology. I care not that "capitalism is the problem" because if humans can't get their shit together, then they are the root cause of the problem and Capitalism is just another symptom.

Put another way, in the words of Jesus Christ (paraphrased): "Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they don't destroy their home and then pretend like they aren't the problem because 'Lily Capitalism is the actual problem'"

Oh, btw: Misanthropy != Fascism. Ecofascism is a belief that all people should stick to their racially segregated "homelands" and live in harmony with nature. Whatever people who say "'Humans are a virus' is literally ecofascist rhetoric" believe it to be may be the actual solution to the oncoming apocalypse we've gotten ourselves into. I'm a misanthrope who loves the biosphere more than humanity's right to do whatever it wants and get away with it because "it's the ideology, not the people who participate in the ideology." I'm not a fucking racist.

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org -1 points 18 hours ago

That's ok, we are not all born to fight, let alone see the enemy.

[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

If there are no more humans than no one will care about the environment.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (21 children)

If humans weren't greedy dicks then capitalism or any other form of government would work perfectly. You can't force humans to not be greedy dicks. No matter what system is being instituted it is susceptible to greedy dicks.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

capitalism or any other form of government

But capitalism isn't a form of government tho.
Nor is communism of even feudalism.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Oops you're right I meant economic system

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Yes we can, via laws & regulation (which are also laws). You have no clue about what unrestricted greed does to people especially, on the recieving end

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Our entire schtick is co operation, it's literally why we're the dominant life form

[–] Arfman@aussie.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We can regulate greedy dick behaviour

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Destruction of nature & unwise use of resources, or even just multiplying to a point where even the most prudent resource management & minimal environmental impact per capita is the absolute goal could still destiny biodiversity.

This has to do with economical tendencies of living beings, not a particular socioeconomic system.
(Yes, capitalism is accelerating the process by taking away freedoms from the masses - but even a commune can decide to chop up the whole forest for wood. World is a fuck.)

"Virus" might not be the best word for it tho (infestation maybe? Fits the capita growth statistics), but successful animals that oversaturate their environment (eg lots of food, no predators, longevity after procreation, tech) cause biodiversity loss (anything from local collapse to a global extinction event with cofactors like climate change or air structure change - what is novel with humans is how rapidly we are developing in our last 0.5% of existence, and how rapid the global impact we case is, it won't take us 10s of thousands of years, we can speedrun in less than a millennia).

[–] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The lack of empathy and true understanding of reverence is the issue.

People do not respect the meat that befalls their plate, the bacteria that ferments their beers, the trees that warms their homes.

Capitalism has two routes, horde through meekness or horde through exploitation. When you horde through meekness, any worth is solely yours - you submit and embrace this moment of life wholely separate from you. You cannot control the world.

Humans are a virus, because we reach for the stars as we eviscerate our host. Lest we learn compassion and empathy, we will consume this earth. The flooding isn't biblical this time, it's predicted by science as man decays.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are the same piece of generic rhetorical label you slap on or argue you can't slap on whenever it conveniences you. If your solution is just a sentence long, you are an over-simplifying things.

So what happened to the ancient civilizations that collapsed before capitalism existed? Ducks. It's the ducks that need to be shot.

[–] Ordinary_Person@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Easter Island comes to mind. They showed up, took every tree on the island, then the vegetation went away and the island had nothing left to give.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 days ago (12 children)

A bunch of people thinking they outsmarted the meme by asking "who made capitalism".

A better question is "when you say humans are a virus, which humans exactly do you propose to exterminate in the name of saving the planet?" Because the bunker-state ethnonationalist, the trumpists, the Peter Thiels and the Mark Andreesens, the Dark Enlightenment and Network State and Tech Zionism neofascists, they know exactly what they mean.

The earth is big enough to support modest human life. It's not big enough to support billionaires' delusions of singularity. So they imagine to purge the parts of humanity that are not their particular version of white.

Don't fall for their fascist propaganda.

[–] creamlike504@jlai.lu 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

When I said "humans are the virus," I think people heard "so we should kill the people I don't like," and missed the part where I don't like all humans.

I don't say it anymore, because I don't want to be overlapped with fascists who apparently say the same thing.

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