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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 190 points 3 days ago (5 children)

So Trump is telling ICE to break the law? It looks like Trump is guilty of another crime.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 110 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Who's gonna fuckin stop em??

They just arrested a judge. The only people who've been able to slow this roll.

What do you think happens next...?

The entire Armed Forces and Judicial Branch of the Executive is cronies from the Cabinet and AG down. If they feel like it they'll mobilize militias to do their work for them.

Citizen cops. Watch out. You may not hate cops now, but you'll understand what's been wrong with the whole system real soon. "Good cops" will be placeholders for men favorable to the regime. They will be corrupted.

Bribes will become commonplace in day-to-day business. This will often feel counterproductive. That's because it is.

Odds are this will play out quietly. Unless the Military does a surprise one, the Democrats aren't putting forward anything capable of challenging the regime. Sorry AOC and Bernie, I love you but Coachella ain't gonna cut it.

Build federated networks in your own life. The model applies. Organize horizontally not vertically/hierarchically. Find people making choices and doing things and help them.

Added predictions: the US invades Panama (again). Ukraine drags out. Recession settles in, staved off by markets hungry for short-term gains looted from Latin America, Ukraine, probably both. Probably around September a major bubble pops in the US stock market no matter what the tariff situation ends up being. Things get worse. Edit: Panama invasion may come as a result of this

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Susan Collins just called: said he learned his lesson and it won’t happen again.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 32 points 3 days ago

So far breaking the law hasn’t bit him yet. Why should he start following it now?

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[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 153 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is the actual reason why there is a 2nd amendment

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

They believe the constitution should be interpreted to uphold the will of a leader/law and order over liberty of the people.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, just telling you what the legal argument will likely be when they arrest people or return force when people try to defend their home.

That argument JD Vance made about judges not having the authority to rule against executive decision is not his original argument. Adrian Vermeule is a Harvard constitutional law professor who has been making the argument favoring unchecked executive authority over all other government and executive power over liberty for a very long time.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Let's fuck 'em up then.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Leela: You'll never pardon anybody because you'll never get elected president. The voters of Earth aren't the pea-brained idiots they were back in your time.

Nixon: Oh, no? Well, listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who's changed is me. I've become bitter and, let's face it, crazy over the years. And once I'm swept into office, I'll sell our children's organs to zoos for meat and I'll go into people's houses at night and wreck up the place.

Yet nixons head still seems less insane then trump

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago

I think about this quote daily as I read the news.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 3 days ago (3 children)

ICE is a criminal organization.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

All cops are bastards and most are working with them

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

A Terrorist organization.

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[–] dryfter@lemm.ee 49 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There was a traffic stop a month or so ago where the city police were called by BP for assistance and they actually assisted them in kidnapping people. The mayor is pissed and says that can't happen due to our sanctuary city status (since 1986) and now the federal government is suing us. We have a HUGE population of immigrants from all over the world here as refugees and to attend our two universities and this is going to get ugly.

The head of C&BP is coming to my city this week because of all this. Something tells me ICE is going to be crawling all over this city the whole week and longer. BP already crawls all over the city because we're on the northern border.

I live in a HUD building. I see ICE searches without warning in my near future because of how many immigrants are here. My cane might be useful for more than just balancing me while walking.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The time is now for sword cane.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

It’s a modern world, we use umbrella guns now.

[–] SippyCup 9 points 3 days ago

Record. Obstruct. Defend.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

it was supposed to be a secret?

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Let's face it, tRUMP is such a narcissistic fool that the only real shocking thing about all this is that he didn't rage-tweet about it in the middle of the night whilst sitting on the toilet in-between faxing top secret documents to Russia and the Saudis.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Faxing top secret documents to Russia and the Saudis is what he was doing during Biden's term. Now, he probably just gave daddy Putin his username and password

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[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

the people who follow his unlawful unconstitutional orders need to be held accountable for their actions when the next adminstration HAS to clean up this administrations messes.

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 66 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I know most people on Lemmy are already aware of this, but I'm wondering if anyone who still doesn't think it will effect U.S. citizens (whatever that even means anymore) realize that DHS is also trying to dismantle their civil rights offices.

They are claiming it is because the offices keep getting in the way of their immigration practices, but only 2 of the 3 offices have to do with immigration.

They 3rd is the office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. It doesn't matter if you believe you're the "right kind of American," or you can argue that you can trace your family to the Mayflower. This is who ensures you have civil rights and civil liberties while dealing with DHS. If you or a loved one end up in DHS custody for some reason and need to use FOIA to prove it happened, this is the office you would rely on.

The people that handle domestic security for the country want to get rid of the office that protects the rights of Americans. Meanwhile, they have also signed this memo saying they no longer need a warrant to search people's homes if they suspect there might be an immigrant hiding in your home bc those immigrants might be terrorists.

Again, if you're thinking well I'm not hiding immigrants, it really doesn't matter.

Maybe one of your neighbors reported you were to fuck with you. Maybe you pissed off the wrong DHS agent or other government employee and you're being targeted.

The point is, if you're not concerned because you think it won't effect you, your ancestors that "came here legally" to escape tyranny would think you're either stupid, delusional, or simply choosing to be in complete denial of reality.

[–] CharlesReed@fedia.io 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe one of your neighbors reported you were to fuck with you. Maybe you pissed off the wrong DHS agent or other government employee and you're being targeted.

This is exactly what happened during the French Reign of Terror, the Salem Witch Trials, and countless other times throughout history. It's happened before, and it will happen again. If someone doesn't like you for whatever reason, they would now have a way to get rid of you, just by using one accusation, regardless of whether it's true or not.

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago

This shit is so similar to the reign of terror and other failed authoritarian playbooks, I've honestly wondered if they're just feeding AI historical data to come up with plans that avoid the pitfalls of previous dictators.

Like they don't comprehend that dictatorships will always inevitably fail because people have an innate desire/drive to be free from oppression and tyranny. Not because dictator X did Y instead of Z, so maybe if they combine dictator X's strategy with dictators A and B, it might just work this time!

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Yeah this is serious authoritarian secret police 101

They just defanged Congress and the Judicial, now they don't need judges at all unless they want em. This seals the coup

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago

Welcome to the New United States of America, where the Contitution is no longer valid where contradicting King Trump.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 46 points 3 days ago (17 children)

So if they break into my home, I can shoot ‘em, right?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ethically, yes. Legally, they'll just kill you.

[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, if the alternative is getting shipped to a torture prison in El Salvador with no due process? Not saying it's a good alternative, but it is an alternative.

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Good, I don’t want to live in a fascist hellscape anyway.

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That's my plan. Just upgraded my front door gun to something with a higher fire rate.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Hey ICE, if the President tells you to do something illegal, you don’t do it! You can still be held liable.

Is it really that hard to have ethics anymore?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ICE doesn't care. They're obviously enjoying being able to do what theyve been doing the past few months.

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[–] carrion0409@lemm.ee 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If they break in my house I'm gonna start blasting as if they were criminals (which they are). I don't play these games with normal people and I'm sure as shit not gonna play them with the plain clothes Trump gestapo. If anyone has seen Daredevil born again with the Fisk anti vigilante taskforce thats what we're getting but irl.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I'm a fairly pacifist type, but I have a .30-06 rifle and a 9mm pistol loaded and by my bedside now. I'd like to get a shotgun though...but there are new rules where I am so it's going to take some time.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Let's see how long it takes for an ICE goon to get the FAFO treatment.

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[–] yarr 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This type of abuse is old as the hills. The rights enumerated in the constitution only apply to citizens. Look at how wiretapping is done among the "Five Eyes". The USA just has allies do the snooping on its own citizens, conveniently dancing around the same constitutional protections. It's unclear if even under the most charitable reading of the constitution if this should apply to an unlawful foreign resident of another country.

Cruel and unfair, definitely. Much like the electoral college, everyone likes to complain about it while not doing too much. If you find the above distasteful, then it should be made clear in US case law that aliens are eligible for constitutional protections. Until then, Trump and co. will gladly keep doing what they are doing, because they don't care about "being fair".

[–] Batman@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Bold assumption it won't be citizens houses. Unachievable by a competent administrative.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

In a more just world, our local police forces would stop this illegal activity.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

It sounds like we should prepare for a rash of home invasion shootings. (I'm not promoting anything, just saying)

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Hmm. Stand your ground against fascism.

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