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Nvidia’s H20 was the most advanced AI chip legally exportable to China.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I will be very surprised if China can't make their own competitive AI chips soon.
Huawei and SMIC are steaming ahead on developing better chips as much as ever despite the sanctions.
USA is sorely mistaken if they think they still have the upper hand against China. USA is also losing soft power fast with old allies, and this has already resulted in ASML opening office in China again.
Probably because China has figured out the basics of how to make EUV themselves, so it's only a matter of time before ASML becomes irrelevant in China, Unless they ignore American demands of sanctioning China completely, terms which demand ASML can't even maintain already delivered equipment!

We are already seeing clear signs of Europe ignoring American demands, and USA losing their soft power. Because they are alienating allies.

And Trump weakening USA in that regard is emboldening China to fight back. Denying USA access to crucial rare earth minerals, That ultimately will result in American EV products to become inferior on both engines and batteries.

Denying China chips will slow them down intermittently, but it will accelerate their efforts to catch up on both production and design of their own chips, ultimately making China more independent.

It's funny how China is always blamed for not buying American products, and when they do, USA is sanctioning them to try to slow them down. 😋

USA is teaching China that they can't rely on others especially USA, they need complete technological independence, and they need to be able to deal with USA from a postion of strength. The way Trump is acting will sour the relations for decades.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I will be very surprised if China can’t make their own competitive AI chips soon.

That's exactly the only thing this is going to do. They have the manufacturing to do it, it'll just take a bit of time. So we cut them off, they slump for a little bit, but then they become non-dependent on us because they've developed their own chip.

And now we can't compete at all.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

For sure USA will lose exports in a very profitable market.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Asianomics did an awesome video on the technology that China is going with for EUV. Not better or worse, it just has different issues.
Edit: found the link
https://youtu.be/rIR3wfZ-EV0

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Thanks, he is usually pretty good, but I haven't seen that one.

[–] SigHunter@lemmy.kde.social 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Trump is really fasttracking the downfall of the US of A. Interesting and painful to watch, but maybe a valuable learning experience for the americans. Like WW2 for Germany. Otoh, I really don't want to learn chinese, meh

[–] aleq@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, I realise this is half-joking and not at all the point of your post, but I find it interesting...

Otoh, I really don't want to learn chinese, meh

It's unlikely to become the lingua franca over night, especially since Chinese already speak English (well, the ones you're likely to come in contact with). Maybe your grand-children will learn it in school though.

Apart from the characters and pronunciation, the latter of which is probably quite easy if taught at an early age, Chinese is quite straightforward. There's no regular vs irregular verbs because there are no inflections at all - no cases, no tenses, no plural forms. Just plop the words down in the right order and you're done. And as a second language, I guess we would only use pinyin until quite late in school.

[–] SigHunter@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 4 days ago

very interesting, thanks for that!

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

I definetely wanted him to mess up so his followers would wake up, but he is doing way more damage than I ever imagined, and somehow his supporters still seem to be on board.

There is irreparable damage to the USA it will never recover from, we are watching the fall of a world power as its citizens cheer it on.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's easier than that. The US doesn't have the same industrial control China has. China will be able to get the chips anyways.

[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

It’s like telling Big Foot to sit down. He’ll sit when HE wants to sit lol

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

The US has an export ban from Taiwan?