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[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Real Marxists know Marx didn't morally condemn the rich. He wanted the workers to take hold of the productive forces created under capitalism and organize it under a rational basis.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup. The great issue with capitalism, is that it wasn't formally designed to enrich society as a whole. It merely is an upgraded iteration of feudalism. You can give a pig a top hat and monocle, but it is still a pig.

We will need a new Constitution, one built to acknowledge that Economics is power. The framers addressed politics and violence, but overlooked the fundamental impact that money has on society. Floors and ceilings on wealth should be implemented, so that the likes of Musk or Trump cannot exist.

[–] adm@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well yes, the framers of the constitution were mostly from the merchant class. If you reframe the document with that in mind you can see that they wanted an almost libertarian system that allowed them to make money without being hindered by nobility or other rich white dudes. Except for Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine was cool.

[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

The American revolution was historically progressive. It led to the French and Haitian revolutions as well. I don't think we have to single out specific figures, although Thomas Paine was on the radical edge. Jefferson was also a radical who supported the French revolution and yet he owned slaves. By now, capitalism has outlived it's historical usefulness.

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[–] Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Jesus is the og communist

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 55 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Jesus was a socialist

This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 21 points 2 days ago

Jesus was a socialist

[–] Grazed@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I was raised conservative Christian and I lost my faith in university. You're 100% right but I sometimes feel a strong urge to "convert" back but only practice the cool parts. Like I'd one-up christians and quote Jesus' most socialist verses at them. Maybe start a Facebook page about how the NT has been corrupted in this modern day, conspiracy-theorist style, but the hidden message is just Marxism.

I feel like somebody out there has embodied that, and I'd like to give them space to reclaim the word Christian for themself at least.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My father in law is a member of the communist party and was a theology professor at a prestigious university, he's also a catholic and went to seminary (didn't become a priest though). Point is that there are absolutely leftist Christians out there. You can lead by example.

But also keep in mind that there have been people out there spreading these words, the problem is that when they get too influential, they get disappeared or murdered

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.

I swear they need to change the name of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian"

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 15 points 2 days ago (28 children)

no such thing as a “Christian”

Huh?

Another socialist Christian a little more recent than Jesus: you might remember Dr. King. Christianity deserves much more criticism and this is an absolutely correct criticism towards most people who profess to be Christians.

But speaking so absolutely usually means you're wrong. There are plenty of Christians who actually follow Christ and are working to make the world better.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

So they rationalize it that god is money

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Etterra@discuss.online 38 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Remember that the louder the Christian the less Christian they actually are.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 232 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Relevant quote from St. Basil:

"Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are not you covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And one who might clothe the naked and does not—should not he be given the same name?

The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not—to all these you are doing wrong"

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[–] Toribor@corndog.social 76 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's not Jesus, that's Willem Dafriend.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 125 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Yeah but he also said to love each other, and people quickly realized that he was wrong.

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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 59 points 3 days ago

Jesus is looking friendly, but also like he could totally go crazy and flip a money lenders table. It's hard to tell if he is dafriend or dafoe.

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