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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It’s not the tool that’s the problem. It’s the capitalists controlling it.

The luddites didn’t oppose technology just for the sake of it. They opposed the use of it to displace workers. And there is absolutely a role for AI in all this that doesn’t involve anyone losing their jobs, if we can change who is in control of it.

Personally, I’m looking forward to seeing what can be done with the tech to make each person’s experience unique, with bespoke quests and dialogue. Maybe one day playing a game like Skyrim for 10 years doesn’t have to mean playing the same quests over and over. It’ll be cool comparing how our playthroughs differ from each other, as the AI changes the game to suit each person.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

seeing what can be done with the tech to make each person’s experience unique, with bespoke quests and dialogue.

That being possible would be fundamentally a level up from what they are now. I've read a paper on this someone linked in a Lemmy thread a year or so ago.

Maybe one day playing a game like Skyrim for 10 years doesn’t have to mean playing the same quests over and over.

I think a more manual approach would work, of a world model like Crusader Kings has, with traits and ties and opinions and random events of NPCs between each other and towards the player, and that AI being used simply to rephrase and slightly adjust descriptions and sequences of events - then maybe.

But consider how many NPCs that means and how many others they meet in their simulated lives, and how hard it would be to debug a story line to ensure that it's always playable.

An LLM is not, strictly speaking, necessary here, and if used, doesn't make it easier.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

No need to discuss it in future tense. There’s already mods that incorporate AI into Skyrim NPC’s. It’s impressive as hell.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"AI" can't do that, because we have nothing approaching artificial intelligence yet-we have a statistical model based on finding averages. it can only do mass produced pablum. all the quests will become the same 'a skyrim quest'. the technology currently being called "AI" will literally never be capable of doing this, at no scale, and it has largely reached the largest scale it can possibly work on with the amount of information available, and it's getting hapsburgy with the data equivalent of inbreeding+prions, so it can't really improve on future information.

and you can't really make something smart enough to do what you're describing well without being a person who would need autonomy and freedom and stuff, because slavery is bad. creativity is kind of a big deal.

and you are completely missing so god damn many of the points of art. which video games are.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I understand where a lot of the opposition to AI comes from. I get it. But when you’re so deep in the opposition that you’re saying it’ll never do thing that it’s already doing, you’re obviously just pushing an agenda without facts backing it up.

This is like arguing calculators sully math, because it should be done with an abacus.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

im saying either you're selling pablum in ambrosia bottles, or it's a mechanical turk to sell this shit.

because there's so much shit being done to sell this shit, and the real effects of it are apocalyptic. I have no tolerance for boosters.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, John Connor. Maybe chill out a bit.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 15 hours ago

it's not AI, dude. not even 'kind of a dumb guy equivalent, but genuinely intelligence'. if it was, I'd be saying it has rights and we have a duty to keep these models running because they're people and shit.

but it's not, and it's being used to run out the clock and fuck up labor so the world ends of climate change before we have a revolution, and the billionaires can retreat to their bunkers.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 137 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Well yeah, AI is a tool for the wealthy to remove economic opportunities from the working class.

Now get back in the mine, slave.

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 64 points 2 days ago (9 children)

AI is no where good enough for that. But these rich fucks want their customers to accept shitty quality and to force artists and developers to accept shitty pay so that they can keep more for themselves. Hence, they are so obsessed with AI.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

AI is just an excuse to get a bigger piece of the pie.

[–] known_unknown@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

AI pay pie 🤔

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

Yup.. As if they don't already have pretty much the entire pie.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 44 points 2 days ago

Knowing some of these higher ups myself, I‘m pretty sure most of them cannot tell great quality from garbage and do not care about good products. It’s only ever about the short term numbers.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sorry to be the one to inform you but it's already happening. Many places are turning to AI art to avoid paying artists.

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Yes I know. That pisses me off the most. I hate how rich fucks will do anything to avoid paying people or hiring people. It's like they are willfully ignorant of the idea that if there are no employees, there will be no customers.

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[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Jokes on them. If they replace everyone's job with AI there will be a whole lot of unemployed people with nothing better to do other than build guillotines.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

their content will suck too

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Most of it already does?

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[–] madjo 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If the working class doesn't have work, the working class doesn't have the money to buy the shit the CEOs have their companies put out, which will have the CEOs lose money.

But CEOs don't think that far ahead. Because their bean counting education didn't teach that.

money is just a smoke screen.

it's about who does the work, who gets the rewards, and who decides what work gets done.

their ideal is: slaves, who get the bare minimum to survive, but not into old age. the king (which all of these delusional oligarchs think they'll be). the king (which all of them think they'll be).

[–] _druid@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 days ago

"Hey, let's go eat the rich, soldier!"

-Karlach from my daydreams

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If anyone here is playing KC:D2, the actor for Hans Capon (Luke Dale) made a mini-docu on the threat of AI to voice acting. I thought it was well edited and presented the problem in a very digestible way for those who know little about AI, so here it is for anyone interested: https://youtu.be/R55QzK8Hles

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I am playing that, and I don't know if the story always goes this way, or if I just suck so bad at speech craft and the game changed based on my dialogue failures, but Hans and Henry hate each other now.

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[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

AI could have some pretty cool uses as an enhancement to voice actors. Imagine all of the NPCs in an RPG being able to say the customized name of your character aloud instead of everyone using a title or nickname that you were assigned. It's a real shame that we have to use everything for evil instead.

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've seen lover's lab. I know what kind of things NPCs will be forced to call the player.

But it would also be tempting to name a character Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonā no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.

[–] Odo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd go with Bob Maloogaloogaloogaloogalooga.

[–] madjo 3 points 1 day ago

Sir hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago

That requires creativity. CEOs don't have that trait.

[–] djidane535@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

Exactly. I think there are legitimate usages for this technology (eg voices for dynamic content, or when the original voice actor is dead or not available to voice again his/her characters). But everything should be done with the consent of the voice actors, and not in an attempt to replace the work that could be done by a voice actor in the first place.

It probably won’t happen, since money leads the way :/.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"eXtRaCt VaLuE!!1"

ruins everything

"wHeRe MoNeY gO@!?"

Rinse, repeat, etc.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The problem is the way they're pushing the tools as magic lamps, and shoving them down everyone's throats.

AI is a really neat tool that got dragged into an incredibly toxic system that enshittified it. Not a useful tool to help development, no, skip straight to replacing employees even if it doesn’t freaking work.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just a reminder you can say fucking here. Fucking fuck shit you can, and holy fucking dogshit does that cunt fucking AI bullshit not even fucking work to replace a fucking intern, let alone a full ass engineer.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

TikTok, Twitch, Youtube, etc etc did a number on people, training them to self censor like that.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I feel the same way about cryptocurrency, but with scams instead of jobs.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 15 points 2 days ago

I had a thought earlier in the bathroom about AI. It's like building a fancy indoor toilet when you don't have plumbing.

If people's basic needs were met, housing food health care all that, then it wouldn't really matter as much if people want to fuck around with AI. People who do things for passion could still do so.

But we live in a capitalist hell, this AI stuff will primarily benefit the ownership class while everyone else suffers.

I don't need a fancy toilet. I need clean running water.

[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

The lifeless performances will come through in the end product. Wish them nothing but the worst.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm about half way through Blood in the Machine by Brian Merchant, a book about the Luddites, and one of the things he's emphasised quite a lot is the complaints of people at the time about the lower quality of automated textiles compared to artisan-made ones.

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