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Canada is in advanced talks with the European Union to join the bloc’s new project to expand its military industry, a move that would allow Canada to be part of building European fighter jets and other military equipment at its own industrial facilities.

The budding defense cooperation between Canada and the European Union, which is racing to shore up its industry to lower reliance on the United States, would boost Canada’s military manufacturers and offer the country a new market at a time when its relationship with the United States has become frayed.

Shaken by a crisis in the two nations’ longstanding alliance since President Trump’s election, Canada has started moving closer to Europe. The military industry collaboration with the European Union highlights how traditional U.S. allies are deepening their ties without U.S. participation to insulate themselves from Mr. Trump’s unpredictable moves.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Two officials, one from the European Union and one from Canada, with direct knowledge of the discussions said detailed talks were underway to incorporate Canada into the European Union’s new defense initiative. The goal is to boost the E.U.’s defense industry and eventually offer a credible alternative to the United States, which is now dominant.

Specifically, the officials said, Canada would be able to become part of the European military manufacturing roster, marketing its industrial facilities to build European systems like the Saab Gripen jet, a competitor to the American F-35, which is made by Lockheed Martin.

A good news day!

Glad to see Carney fast-tracking the important stuff. I knew we could count on him.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm used to Liberal PM's being overly cautious and hide bound. These are surprisingly strong moves for Carney to be making in his first few days in office and I'm all for it. He's clearly understood the gravity of the current situation.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He called his nominations a "wartime cabinet" and based on his actions, he wasn't using that term metaphorically.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This is why I voted for him and donated to his campaign to lead the liberals and I have zero regrets.

I’m also going to be donating to the upcoming federal election, which I’ve never done before.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Same. If I imagine living through this with PP instead of Carney, how much money and stress and potential losses that's gonna cost, it makes it clear that the cash I can spare for trying to get Carney elected could be well worth it.

[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 10 points 20 hours ago

Hell yah Canada someone gotta show the US that they can’t just bully the rest of the world

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago

This is huge. If this grains traction it would be a substantial boost to our economy and our defense capabilities.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We are just fully in the buildup now, aren't we. What a horrifying time to be alive. I wonder what a global scale conflict would be like with social media.

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

I'd guess shockingly similar to non-global scale conflict with social media.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can we knock the last three words off that title?

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 21 hours ago

You son of a bitch, I'm in.

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

We should have started this back under the Trump version 1 term. But better late than never.

I think we should start to fortify our borders next. We're living above an unstable country. I'm tired of their guns crossing the border and killing Canadians. We need to lock this shit down now.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have no expertise in military technology and cannot speak to the superiority of F-35s, the magnitude of their tactical advantage, nor the factors that justify or mitigate their operating cost. But the auxiliary benefits of buying into Saab's ecosystem are accumulating into quite the stack. Given that our military strength is somewhat predicated on economic strength, I like seeing us take a path that grows both. The latter pays dividends even if we fight no real wars nor avert any theoretical ones.

And ultimately, Lockheed Martin's technological advantage is built on capital investment and mindshare. With sufficient resources consolidating elsewhere, that can be eventually rivaled. Even before that point, we're looking at facing rivals with lesser tech than the Gripen, or rivals that control the F-35 program and its supply lines. The upsides are just too context-sensitive.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago

Future wars look like they’re going to be more and more about who can last longer in wars of attrition and manufacturing, so this is a good bet in my books too.

If Canada is playing défense in a war, we’re going to need to force it to be asymmetrical and distributed with drones like Ukraine is doing.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago

Wheeee gripens

[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The EU is undergoing militization. To join, I think Canada will have to do the same. Conscription is a conversation Europe is having now, which is something Canada has never had to think about.

From March 9,

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/european-countries-military-conscription-3574509

[–] terath@sh.itjust.works 9 points 20 hours ago

Canada has had conscription. Just not since WW2.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 hours ago

I think conscription is a good idea for Canada, considering the utterly massive wilderness that Canada possesses along borders, it might be a good idea to instill some knowledge of guerilla warfare in the citizenry

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

To join

There's no realistic outlook for Canada joining the EU. But everything else stands, Canada doesn't need to join the EU to increase its relationships and agreements.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is ironically written by an American newspaper.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

What is ironic about that? It affects them too. They are among the best-funded sources of journalism and have been pretty consistent in standing up to report on the consequences of the actions that Americans have taken.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ohh NYT did a journalism for once.

I am amazed they found the manpower for this piece between having to deny genocide and/or running apologia for it.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if they get in line if cheeto steps on them a bit harder.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I mean they are doing their best on Israel

They have to do these piece to maintain semblance of being a news paper of record.

Domestic media is enabling the trump regime

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The oligarch regime in general. But yes.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 7 hours ago

That's correct. Trump is a regime whore here really, the most useful one they ever got!