Very surprised Mark isn't... Super supportive of musk and Tesla.
He owns a Tesla and is rather wealthy at this point. Not to mention that he's Mormon. I'd expect him to be very conservative and all in on the grift.
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Rober is definitely a businessman out to make money and is very self-promoting and will accept just about anybody as a sponsor, but I can't think of anything he's done that's been out-and-out deceitful or political. And he really does have some engineering chops.
I think he's a good voice for this b3cause he's been so intentionally apolotical, and even my right-wing family likes his stuff.
Though my YouTube crazy engineer of choice is Stuff Made Here. He spends months between videos, but the stuff he makes is awesome, and he shows off a lot more of the actual creative process. And his fabrication tool collection is insane for a home shop.
Mark is a smart guy, I'm sure he walks great big circles around anything political, at least publicly.
His audience is everybody, aligning publicly with any kind of political flow is generally a bad idea if you want that to stay that way, because the only thing you'll likely achieve is shrinking your potential audience.
I would also be careful with the assumption that all conservatives agree with what's currently happening.
(Edit: Ope, I think I misunderstood you, my bad. Disregard my reply.)
What a world we're living in!
Observing a technical deficiency in a robotics platform requires political considerations. Even when a car drives into a fucking wall at 40MPH on camera, people are asking about the camera man's political party affiliation and not what's wrong with the car.
Wild!
out the camera man’s political party affiliation and not what’s wrong with the car.
We know what's wrong with the car. He was very clear about it. We mostly should have known it was coming.
I actually think the Tesla could be trained to stop for this, they certainly never trained it to detect this. As you get closer the perspective changes. it's slight, but probably fine for algo detection.
As far as political considerations, the REAL wild part is the actions of the current administration at less than 100 days in. It's difficult not to see things through the lense when the guy at the top is trying to dismantle the pardons of the previous president of people who weren't charged with crimes, while he pardoned the silk road guy.
Literally, every news-worthy action is peppered with politics now due to the incomprehensible actions at the top.
While Rober is officially non-committal to a political agenda:
He clearly and repeatedly supports education (this should not be a telling political statement)
He has created videos highlighting the importance of mental health and creativity, encouraging viewers to embrace their unique talents. (this should not be a telling political statement)
His projects often promote inclusivity and accessibility, making science and technology more approachable for diverse audiences. (this should not be a telling political statement)
NONE of these should be a telling political statement. Education should be paramount. Diversity should not be a political statement.
The current administration doing WHITE POWER SALUTES ON STAGE, shutting down education and REMOVING BLACK SERVICEMEN from the public internet are EXACTLY the kinds of things required to make all THIS a political statement.
Porque no los dos? I hate porch pirates and would love to sprinkle some in glitter. However, some porch pirates I'll assume are just poor kids. But I am intrigued by people wanting to go into a mortgage for a chance to end up pasted on a wall.
I would also be afraid of dying funny. You know what I mean? Like in old cars you would eat the steering wheel or get your guts removed by the center post of the steering wheel and right thru your spine. Not very funny. But on the Tesla steering wheel you could end up smashing your face right on the screen. Or if you're a woman, the implants could get sucked right into the two holes of the steering wheel. That would be awkward on a full body viewing.... Well it's a new bra style she was trying.... And then you get smacked in the face with a software glitch airbag. Wouldn't that be nice? Well at Least the steering wheel pit remover problem is solved. Give it a few hundred years and maybe someone will come up with an automated car that doesn't drive into walls.
Unfortunately when the vehicle in question is created by a company owned by a man operating a government agency, it's a valid question. He could have just never made the video, but making one that directly opposes the narrative of people you'd expect the "camera man's" political affiliation to be seems unusual.
Can't deny any of that.
Have I mentioned, I'm broadly surprised by how reasonable the conversations are here versus Reddit? Thanks for that, I think I misunderstood your initial comment
I’d expect him to be very conservative
We still don't know for sure. That video will likely become one of, if not his top-grossing videos. The topic and timeliness are absolute fire.
I give him some credit, though. It's a dicey time to throw Musk under the self-driving bus while showing that alternatives don't have the same problem.
They should just program it to drive through the painted tunnel but when another driver comes behind you they crash into it.
According to Ol' Elon the robo-taxi service has been a couple months away since 2017 or so. I can't imagine it's much closer now than then.
I think Rober just showed us why. Mowing down kids in weather is an unacceptable amount of risk.
Unacceptable risk to you. I’m guessing Elon is fully prepared to take the risk and minimise the consequences.
That's what insurance is for after all
Don't need to have insurance when anyone hit by a Tesla was a Hamas sympathizer. Then you're not killing people, you're killing terrorists for protesting Elon. You can get a presidential pardon for that. /a (maybe? We're in strange times)
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It's right at the end of the tunnel they're diggin in CA
That's why they called it the "Coyote" dataset.
All these years, I always thought all self driving cars used LiDAR or something to see in 3D/through fog. How was this allowed on the roads for so long?
They originally the model S had front facing radar and ultrasonic sensors all round, the car combined the information to corroborate it's visual interpretation.
According to reports years ago the radar saved Tesla's from multiple pileups when it detected crashes multiple cars ahead (that the driver couldn't see).
Elmo in his infinite ego demanded both the radar and ultrasonics be removed, since he could drive with out that input so the car should be able to.. also it is cheaper.
I'd be very curious to know how much cheaper it is. Sure, there's R&D to integrate that with everything, but that cost is split across all units sold. It feels like the actual sensors, at this scale, can't add a significant amount to the final price.
I think it's all about the timeline. Tesla gambled on cameras before AI models became usable (the company most certainly committed itself to the camera sensors a few years before it became public). By the time automated driving models became usable, Tesla had tons of camera data to capitalize on, but presumably not the corresponding radar data (or not in a consistent manner), so rebuilding a multi-sensor dataset for AI training was probably not very appealing in terms of cost and time to market.
Back when Elon made avoiding LiDAR a core part of his professional personality, it was fairly expensive. But as any tech genius can tell ya, component prices drop rapidly for electronics.
Now, radar is dirty cheap. Everything has radar. Radar was removed from Teslas. A radar sensor for my truck is $75, probably much less at scale orders.
LiDAR sensors cost anywhere from $500-$1,500 for a vehicle of this type, near as I can tell (this type being Level 2 autonomy rather than something like a Waymo. A well-kitted out self-driving vehicle has 4 LiDAR sensors).
Here is the LiDAR module currently used on the Mercedes S-Class, it's $400 used: https://www.ebay.com/itm/285816360464
It's a hideously small cost-savings in 2025 for a luxury vehicle like a Tesla. Any rational company would've reversed course after the first stationary-object-strike fatality. Tesla is not a rational company.
Exactly, my previous car (BMW) once saved me in the fog by emergency braking for something I wasn't able to see yet. My current car (Tesla) shuts down almost all safety features when the camera's can't see anything, so I doubt it will help me in such situations. The only time my Tesla works well is in perfect conditions, but I don't live in California.
Exactly, my previous car (BMW) once saved me in the fog by emergency braking for something I wasn’t able to see yet.
If you were driving at a speed at which the low visibility would have gotten you into into an accident due to some obstable you weren't able to see yet, you were driving too fast. Simple, isn't it?
Is it that simple? Because in my situation it wasn't, I wasn't driving very fast and the situation changed quickly. I was just cruising and following the car in front of me that I could see, but as the fog quickly got thicker, the car in front of me had to emergency brake, and as did I. My car detected that quicker than I did, for which I'm grateful.
While true, it's still nice that super-human senses are looking out for the driver on their behalf. Also it's nice if super-human senses allow for braking earlier and closer to graceful rather than standing hard on the brakes because of late notice.
Fog is one example, but sudden blinding glare could be another situation that could be mitigated by things like radar and lidar. Human driver may unexpectedly be blinded and operating at unsafe speed without any way of knowing that glare was coming in advance.
These things will make people more complacent and lazy, and will absolutely lead to worse drivers and more collisions
It can be a huge help, depending on the human factor.
If it's a 'oh, take your hands off, it's fine, take your eyes away, it's fine', then I could see that the systems replace human weakness but add their own, failing to reach a good "best of both worlds".
If it's one of the systems that watches the driver's eyes and nags if they take their eyes or hands off the task of driving while also encouraging good lane positioning and sufficient, yet perhaps uncomfortable braking in an emergency situation. Enough assistance to aid safety, still annoying enough to make people not rely solely upon them.
Challenge is that's not a very appealing promise of value. "Our system improves safety by using all this ADAS, but is annoying enough to keep you engaged!".
Just like government hand outs... Prohibiting accidents is communism, dyind on the grill of a SUV is a patriotic duty... /s
As you say, it's nice if there is an additional assistant, also for e.g. health emergencies.
That said: Driving assistants should only ever be that: assistants. They are not a replacement for safe and controlled driving. I know I've been an arsehole on some occasions when I had my driver's license fresh, and I got lucky that I didn't have any accidents until I learned to calm down and drive with respect for other people and animals. Just throwing that in here to say I don't consider myself a saint. But anything "self driving" should be forbidden everywhere, unless it's on rails that the vehicle can not reasonably escape even if it wanted to (i.e. trains).
Definitely a component of these safety systems needs to be actually effective driver monitoring. You have cars now doing gaze tracking, and tracking things like whether the person seems drowsy. Even while driving unassisted they will nag you if it can't confirm your attention (I would get dinged sometimes on steep ramps because my arms would block the cameras while turning the wheel, it frankly trained me to reposition hands earlier just to not get the nag).
I used the lane centering to help my kid get used to the sense of correct positioning in the lane. Of course turning it off to make them do it manually, but kind of like training wheels when the kid was tending to push it almost over the passenger line.
I remember reading that tesla only uses cameras for it's self driving. My 2018 Honda uses radar for the adaptive cruise so the technology exists, musk is just an idiot.
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Honestly all the fails with the kid dummy were a way bigger deal than the wall test. The kid ones will happen a hundred times more than the wall scenario.
Some sort of radar or lidar should 100% be required on autonomous cars.
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