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Not because DDG got better, but just because google got worse.

google is still better for site-specific searches, and google scholar still has minimal AI slop

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 3 points 28 minutes ago

Google is mostly adverts. Wouldn’t take much to be better than that.

[–] variouslegumes@reddthat.com 3 points 31 minutes ago

I just realized the other day that I haven't typed !g in months.

[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 hours ago

I’ve been using DDG exclusively for something like 8 years. It works great for regular text search and I use bing for image searches. I really don’t understand the reluctance of people to switch to it. To me, Google has been borderline unusable garbage for a long time.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

DuckDuckGo AKA Bing is complete dog doo. When you are looking for news it only tries to shove in the Microsoft MSN news page. The algorithm manipulation in favor of Western MSM bias is even heavier than Google. When you search certain terms it refuses to show articles containing those exact terms.

Yeah saying "DDG is as good as Google" means saying that DDG is worthless garbage lol

[–] synicalx@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago

+1, it’s hot garbage and I don’t know why anyone would use it. You’re better off trying to randomly guess the URL of the content your looking for because that’s probably more likely to find it.

[–] match@pawb.social 8 points 4 hours ago

i switched from DDG to ecosia because of Lemmy and i gotta say it's even better

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

My thought always was that DDG was good to set as my default, and if I'm not happy with the results then it's not a big deal to use Google once in awhile.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Just use start page instead for Google results. That’s what I do.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad has recently made their google search proxy free for everyone. It’s a good alternative to startpage: https://leta.mullvad.net/

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

I like startpage more still. Mullvad’s ui sucks.

[–] slomosapien@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago

100%. I have not used google in about roughly 15 years. DDG has been my daily driver since 2010

[–] venotic@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Not really. If you focus purely on just searching, yeah DDG is decent. But, I find its maps inferior and trying to find answers to some questions can get tedious. DDG I guess is just for people who want guilt-free searching.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

ddg maps is just a no-frills apple maps.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Agreed. Even if it were identical to Google maps in terms of content, it runs slower on all platforms I’ve so far tried (windows, iOS, OSX).

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

I got identical results with a side-by-side comparison.

[–] boreal@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

Better usually in my experience. Google is mostly SEO-sludge anyway. Though sometimes when you need something very specific Google is better but that gap has been pretty much closed during 7+ years I’ve used DDG.

[–] sanderium@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I use Startpage and it feels like I always get the results I want even when I don't use perfect prompts. Just recently I got a three month free trial for Kagi and the results were better than google in my opinion, or at least less cluttered with "possibly related things" that are just ads in the end.

[–] franzfurdinand@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I switched to exclusively Kagi on my phone and it's been a pretty pleasant experience. Not perfect, but fairly serviceable. You're right, it's way less cluttered. Going back to Google can sometimes be very jarring.

[–] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"just as good"? No, I feel it is (and has been for years) vastly superior but I mostly use it to find documentation or Stack Overflow answers so consistent UI and concise summaries are high priority to me. Take that as you will

I don't think anybody can dethrone Google Maps yet but that's another story

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I still haven't found Google to be worse than Bing yet.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 13 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

isn't is just a bing wrapper?

[–] klangcola@reddthat.com 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

No and kinda yes. Duckduckgo has its own webcrawler, but also adds in results from other sources including Bing, Yahoo and others.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Last time I checked, it matched Bing results exactly.

[–] Sickduck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

DDG does the job. Hopefully, I won't have to switch engines soon.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Wait 'til you learn that DDG's engine is Bing

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I've had to use !g way too much lately, so no.

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

Bangs, used to move the search to another site, in this case google

[–] tfm@europe.pub 2 points 5 hours ago

For me they are even better than Google. But I use Qwant now.

[–] breadguy@kbin.earth 3 points 7 hours ago

kagi still owns both of them. but there's also startpage and leta which are google wrappers if you don't want to use Google directly

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's not as good as google was when I was first allowed to use the internet 15+ years ago, but much better than today's google. Just so much more peace of mind to know that profit isn't what governs my search results.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It still kinda does, since it's Bing under the hood.

[–] MakingWork@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] d3m0nr4v3r@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Just dont use ChatGPT but one of the other models. I find LLama to work fine.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Wha... Why? Why gpt the only baddy?

[–] d3m0nr4v3r@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago

Well afaik they host their open source models them selves / with a cloud service they have control over so no data going to big bad tech

[–] Fiction@lemm.ee 0 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I trust DuckDuckGo. And I like they anonymize my AI queries. I feel like it’s the next best thing to running it locally.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Does their 'anonymizing queries' feat mean anything if they don't disclose how it works or what that even means literally?

[–] d3m0nr4v3r@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago

At least with the open source models the data is not sent to the big bad tech cooperations afaik

[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

"Trust me bro"