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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 points 17 hours ago

your honor, I would move to dismiss on grounds that my clients actions were based as fuck.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago

I'd argue that he gave them extra code, a bonus if you will.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 74 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I’m disappointed they found so much in his search history. Do these people not have phones? In this day and age with everyone carrying a smartphone, there’s no excuse for using work computers for personal activities

The smart criminals never get caught...

That's why you only hear about the dumb ones

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago

Did it say they went through his work search history? Everything you search on Google with your IP or through your account is recorded, in case law enforcement knocks. Don’t think using a phone protects you. Use a trusted VPN in a separate browser if you want to search for things and not have them show up in court.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago

In this day and age with everyone carrying a smartphone, there’s no excuse for using work computers for personal activities

There are plenty of reasons, mostly amounting to "Nobody tends to give a fuck" and "I'm not running out to buy a second high end laptop just to casually browse the web from my couch on the weekend".

What you've got is a very poorly enforced, very draconianly executed set of deliberately vague and inarticulate rules that vary from company to company. And none of that really has anything to do with the "kill switch" thing. In the same way you might say "Well but obviously nobody should smoke weed in a state that criminalizes it! That's just stupid!" when you've got the police tearing apart a particular person's house for a completely unrelated issue, based on an officer's exclamation of "I smell weed!" at the front porch.

Just accept you live in a police state and stop buying into excuses made to surveil and punish.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

don't underestimate how lazy and stupid even the smartest person can be.

[–] TranslateErr0r@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

I feel targeted :-)

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

and unlike dennis nedry, he didn't have to get killed by a dinosaur to do it.

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 14 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I developed a spreadsheet for a company I worked for a few jobs ago. When I left I used a picture of Dennis to lock everyone out of the spreadsheet but only for one day, months after I left. Stupid idea, but felt good.

Edit: this was it:

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

I had created a few things on Google sheets that my coworkers were using. It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but one was a spreadsheet I'd made that had all of our driver's availability to assist with scheduling. The sheets were on my personal account, and we didn't end on good terms, so I just locked them all out. It was funny getting all the texts asking for access the next day. I told them to make their own.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 91 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Weird that these protections exist for corporations that aren't actually people but no protections exist for the person who was fired.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 38 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly my thought. A corporation destroys people's lives by firing them? Nothing. Someone actually pushes back? Suddenly the government gets involved.

[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Eg pictures of dozens of police protecting tesla dealerships

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

And how our legal system is setup to best defend the wealthy.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago

They are the protagonists of democracy after all.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

yeah it's pretty crazy. almost like government is for some things and not others, and knows it, like maybe laws were always just an excuse and tool for victim blaming. or something.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The amazing thing is that the government doesn't get nearly as much tax income as you'd expect from these hugs companies. It's almost as if the politicians have some other, secret motivating factor. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.

wait, are you saying that there's this class that are the beneficiaries of governments and laws, and it's the same as the class that doesn't suffer any limitations when they do stuff that the governments and laws don't like?

and that we're in this other class, that the laws and stuff exist to punish, but has to fund them and pay for them, or we get punished for that too?

that's fucking crazy.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see how pretending that's weird is gonna help anyone.

We all know we don't live in a just world.

We need to try and make it one, instead of pretending we're living in one which happens to have horrid injustice happening all the time.

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I'm no English major, but I'm pretty sure @SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world calling it weird is a rhetorical device known as sarcasm.

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[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

Part of me sympathizes with the guy, but this was reckless

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 220 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Up to 10 years is crazy. Sure, what he did was wrong, planned and malicious, and they claim it cost them tens of thousands of dollars. But 10 years? This is crazy for something that at worst would be a yearly salary of a single employee.

Fucking capitalism.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

Don't F with the power grid.

owned by the Ohio- and Dublin-based power management company Eaton Corp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eaton_Corporation

Sentences are always harsh for anything to do with those who provide for public utilities.

@null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com has a comment about sabotage, which was likely a factor combined with this to drive max recommended sentencing.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 16 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Now to make it worse, ask this, "If the corporation did 10 times this amount of damage, but to the general citizens of the country, how many people would go to jail?"

That's right 0 people would go to jail! And they would only be fined for no more than 10% of the profit they made while doing it. Maybe someone like a jr director of operations gets tossed in jail, but he wasnt really apart of the club.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 46 points 21 hours ago

"Up to 10 years" is the maximum possible for that type of crime. Actual sentencing guidelines for a $500k loss for a first time offender will probably come out to about 2, maybe 3 years.

In order for the recommended sentence to hit 10 years, we'd have to be talking about damage of over $550 million, or something like a long criminal history.

Substantial disruption of critical infrastructure would get someone to around 5 years, as a reference.

[–] aquinteros@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

he should have tried to overthrow the government, or stole classified documents. that's a drastically lower sentence

nothing he did was wrong.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

allegedly costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses.

Also it's sabotage, which might attract heavier penalties than mere theft?

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Actually for federal sentencing, property destruction is punished under the same table as theft. It's mostly measured from the amount of loss to the victims, whether the person actually profited from it or not.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago

Fair enough.

Having known victims of vandalism I can say it hurts more than theft.

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[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 36 points 22 hours ago

Talk about incentivizing us to make even more impactful kill switches!

[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago

Tbh, what shocks me the most about this is how sloppy this appears to have been executed.

[–] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 118 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Lol everyone probably fantasizes about such thing sometimes, but even if you weren't caught, it's not worth it to personally be bitter like that.

Just got laid off and could had done the same. Except I don't have to. Internal systems are so bad and undocumented and I was like only IT specialist there who could use linux, and so many things related to core businesses were just basically behind me.

The kill switch has made it self. Funny how I would have written more documentation if I ever was given the time.

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Same for my last job. My bosses and managers harassed and insulted me. They said I was useless and stupid.

I quit with 3 months of "notice" (standard in France to help you find a new job). They didn’t care during those 3 months. In the last week they panicked because they could not find a replacement that did everything I fixed every day.

I also interviewed my replacement, a junior out of school with big diplomas. When I asked if he knew Linux, he said "not really." I thought "they are fucked with this guy." They wanted to hire him because he was the son of some guy. I said to my boss that he would be a perfect fit for the company.

Unknowingly I was the kill switch. I sent them one last email with all the information they needed and told them to go fuck themselves in a polite way.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

but even if you weren't caught, it's not worth it to personally be bitter like that.

Really depends on what you do for a living... Non-profit? Sure. Weapons manufacturer? Fucking have at it.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

But don't be stupid about it. Stash a date somewhere that you manually update every so often (so that it'll stop being updated if you're fired) and then add a bunch of random waits whose durations scale with the time since that date. If you're worried that the code will be found, comment it with some bullshit about avoiding race conditions.

...and now I can't use that idea, since this comment would be used in court. If I did it to a weapons manufacturer, they'd probably get the death penalty somehow.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 8 points 17 hours ago

comment it with some bullshit about avoiding race conditions

Lmao, amazing

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 137 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I worked for a company once that installed a remote-activation killswitch in their drivers, as a secret weapon to force the customer to stay current on their maintenance contract.

The CEO was a fuckup however, and the code killed their system even without being activated - resulting in a bunch of angry phonecalls and some of the most egregious lying I've ever heard.

god, he was a piece of shit

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago

Sounds like lawsuit territory

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For the last time, I didn't leave a kill switch -- I just refused to document anything!

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m the lone human being who understands the code behind the byzantine financial operation of my org. No kill switch necessary.

Pro tip: your poorly thought out business rules can lead to stupidly complex processes.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 22 hours ago

Look at me, I am the killswitch now.

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[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So when company do it it's fine but when we do it to companies it's not?

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[–] GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This kill switch, the DOJ said, appeared to have been created by Lu because it was named "IsDLEnabledinAD," which is an apparent abbreviation of "Is Davis Lu enabled in Active Directory."

Lu named these codes using the Japanese word for destruction, "Hakai," and the Chinese word for lethargy, "HunShui,"

[Lu]’s "disappointed" in the jury's verdict and plans to appeal

No, this guy is cooked, there’s even evidence of him looking up how to hide processes and quickly delete files, absolutely no way an appeal would work out for him, I don’t think an “I got hacked” argument is going to work.

[–] snf@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's actually kind of worrisome that they have to guess it was his code based on the function/method name. Do these people not use version control? I guess not, they sure as hell don't do code reviews if this guy managed to get this code into production

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[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why do kill switches when you can just hog all the work of maintaining some critical part of the infrastructure and make it's functioning and maintenance so opaque and impenetrable that the employer can't replace or fire you without their shit catching fire soon after. It doesn't have to be malicious or illegal.

https://youtu.be/0jK0ytvjv-E

His efforts to sabotage their network began that year, and by the next year, he had planted different forms of malicious code, creating "infinite loops" that deleted coworker profile files, preventing legitimate logins and causing system crashes

I wish this guy was were actually politically motivated, but he seems to have been just really petty minded person.

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