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[–] SomeChick@lemmy.ca 2 points 50 minutes ago

They really do have a lot of odd rules and personal regulations for a supposedly free country

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago

America is so dumb on so many levels.

[–] Paid_in_cheese@lemmings.world 23 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

American suburbanism is truly wild. When you see how people live outside of the U.S., it's startling what we're putting up with here for the wonders of spending hours in a car every week.

It's technically against the law in my state to make a new neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA. I live in a neighborhood without an HOA because it was built before the law was passed. No one's running a tavern but we've got one neighbor who grows vegetables in a patch of their front yard. Another neighbor has a bunch of chickens and also a rooster. We're technically not allowed to have roosters but who's going to tell on them? Not me, for sure.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

No HOA for me. Long term goal is to build a greenhouse that connects the garage to the house, build a rainwater system for drinking that collects from the greenhouse roof, and collect water for the plants from my garage and house. The put solar in the back yard and plant some fruit trees and berry bushes.

The biggest pain is my city won't let you keep bees unless you have a certain amount of land, and I'd like to have a beehive passthrough for the greenhouse so my plants can get pollinated without letting pests in.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

HOA truly scares me about American living. That a group of people can dictate what you can and can't do with your own house is absolutely wild. How is that home ownership?

In Canada the only real rule is don't leave your yard in disrepair.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

HOA truly scares me about American living. That a group of people can dictate what you can and can’t do with your own house is absolutely wild. How is that home ownership?

You probably do have a group of people that can dictate what you can and can't do with your own house. You just call them "local government", "county government", "provincial government", "state government", etc as appropriate to however your current region organizes things at the smallest level.

The difference is that the bad kinds of HOA are essentially extra-local government chartered into existence for just one neighborhood, and since the "real" government has covered most of the actually important issues, they need to do something to justify themselves and are local enough to actually pay attention to your front yard and make ordinances against things they think will lower property values.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

don't leave your yard in disrepair

Even that should be your own business, unless you're endangering anyone

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It's worth mentioning that in the majority of residential neighborhoods, either they do not have HOA enforcement or the HOA is entirely optional, in that you can pay to belong to the HOA and gain benefits like access to community centers and pools, but then have to abide by guidelines.

In these places, you can ignore HOA rules if you're not interested in joining. I've greatly enjoyed telling their offended members that no, I will trim my shrubs when I feel like it, thank you very much.

There is still going to be a lot of regulations against like, turning your house into a tavern or something, but there is a little more freedom here in most places than people talk about. But it's still pretty bad and getting worse, there are more and more "master planned" communities that turn entire countrysides into oceans of rooftops in these homogeneous people hatcheries where you have to get approval to grow flowers in your yard.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Freedom \TM

[–] Djfok43@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also no chickens (usually)

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah depends on the municipality my area it's fine but depends on yard size

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (6 children)

Newer suburban housing often depresses me. You have these large, lovely homes, but they're crammed together so tightly that you could reach out of your kitchen window to turn on your neighbour's sink. The front yard is often just a strip of dry grass with a single crabapple sapling, and the back yard is a box the size of a small bathroom, devoid of both foliage and privacy from the eight other houses overlooking it, and serves largely as a box with air to place your dog in. This could be remedied if the developers weren't complete cunts and sacrificed a house or two per block to space the homes out a bit. But they can't waste an inch.

I certainly don't mean to throw shade at anyone who has purchased a home like this and enjoys living there. Everyone deserves a place to feel happy and comfortable. It just sucks that anything built in the last twenty years is erected with no privacy or quality of life in mind. It's just housebox. As long as you don't peer outside, you won't notice you're trapped in housebox. This is extremely common here in Alberta, and it's the reason my wife and I wound up buying an older home (1960s-70s) in a mature neighborhood. Most newer places we looked at felt as though they were missing a soul.

Just kind of gets to a point where the whole "detached home" thing doesn't really mean anything. May as well connect the walls into row housing and drop the price 100k.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Newer suburban housing often depresses me. You have these large, lovely homes, but they’re crammed together so tightly that you could reach out of your kitchen window to turn on your neighbour’s sink. The front yard is often just a strip of dry grass with a single crabapple sapling, and the back yard is a box the size of a small bathroom, devoid of both foliage and privacy from the eight other houses overlooking it, and serves largely as a box with air to place your dog in. This could be remedied if the developers weren’t complete cunts and sacrificed a house or two per block to space the homes out a bit. But they can’t waste an inch.

I mean you see the same basic thing in places where there's a lot of post-WW2 GI housing, except the houses are smaller and older. They often packed those in pretty close together, like close enough you have space to run two strips with a mower between houses, one on each side of the property line.

[–] Djfok43@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Why do I feel like living in an apartment would be better in that case (if u can't find an older house)

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

A lot of higher-density residential areas are actually more enjoyable to live in if you're a people person and like walking to places. Areas of apartment blocks tend to be placed closer to shopping and bars and restaurants.

Meanwhile, a lot of the newer, cleaner "master planned" communities are just sterile oceans of identical rooftops miles and miles from anything but schools and fire departments, forcing all residents to drive if they want to so much as pick up a carton of milk.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago

May as well connect the walls into row housing and drop the price 100k.

Sorry, best I can offer is row housing that is $100k more expensive.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

In my Eu country, and also the neighbouring countries, the general rule for a detached building is that it has to be build 3 to 5 meters (depending on the local rules) from the terrain boundary. If the builder wants to build closer, then they have to build a blind wall on the boundary with certain minimum fire + insulation requirements. If then someone else builds against that blind wall, that someone else is expected to buy "half" of the existing wall, ie: pay the first builder some money.

So we fortunately don't get those dystopian tightly packed detached housing neighbourhoods.

The shared wall between a home and any other building is also required by law to have certain minimum acoustic insulation values. But there's plenty of old buildings where this isn't the case yet. Living in an apartment building without proper acoustic isolation is horrible, I'd rather live in a dystopian detached house, so maybe that's why those houses are still popular in North America and Australia: guaranteed proper acoustic insulation.

[–] upsidedown@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Little boxes on the hillside

Little boxes made of ticky-tacky

Little boxes on the hillside

Little boxes all the same

There's a pink one and a green one

And a blue one and a yellow one

And they're all made out of ticky-tacky

And they all look just the same

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

When I had the opportunity to buy a house I was elated. Now, 10 years in? Yeah, I despise it. Neighbors that don't give a shit that you can't get away from, no privacy, no ability to do anything without the worry someone will report you for some HoA shit you're not aware of, etc. I was raised on a country house on 7 acres, now I dream of ever being able to escape and have something like that.

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Come to Brazil!

Joking, but also not that much. If you work remotely for some American company and choose your city well, chances are you'll probably be making enough money to be able to ignore all of Brazil's problems. $60k per year should be more than enough for that.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 26 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

My own property is being extensively reworked to produce a majority of our vegetables. We have already put about 185m² 2,000ft²) under direct cultivation in the back yard, and intend to wrap that garden around the entire property to the full 400m² (4.300ft²) available.

In the end, I don’t expect to have a single blade of grass on the property. It’ll all be flowers, fruiting trees and canes and bushes, and vegetables. All done in a modified Ruth Stout method, with a variation of flat-ground Hügelkultur thrown in.

Let’s just say that Bylaw is already pissed off with me, and I’m not even halfway done yet.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ruth Stout

You had me excited to find a better method. Then it was "find a cheap source of hay". Then you need a method to spread hay- which ain't easy. I'll stick with my cultivar which makes mulch in place.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Then it was "find a cheap source of hay".

Many hay farmers will sell spoiled hay (unfit for animal consumption) for 50-25% of what you would pay for clean hay. Get evangelical about permaculture and the Ruth Stout method and some will just let you have spoiled hay for free.

Stables will frequently give spoiled hay away for free, except here you need to fork it up and pack it off by yourself, it won’t be baled for your convenience. Plus, a lot of bedding wasn’t meant to be eaten by the animals in the first place, and comes with embedded manure.

Remember, spoiled hay is spoiled. it’s not fit for feeding animals, and it’s not gonna be displayed in the Smithsonian as an example of premium hay. Many places that produce or consume hay just want to get rid of it, as it’s wholly undesirable for their main operations and just gets in the way.

Then you need a method to spread hay- which ain't easy.

Gesundheit? If you are complaining about spreading hay - and I can cover my existing 185m² in a single afternoon with ease - then gardening in general is not going to be up your alley. Spreading hay is not supposed to be difficult or laborious. If it’s baled, unbale it and use your hands to break off chunks and crush it to floof it up and simply drop it in place. If it isn’t baled, get a fork, spear the hay, walk over to the garden with the fork full, then just shake the fork to loosen the clumps and let them fall.

Like, you are doing this while standing upright, some time between October and March, long before the first plant gets planted. If your plants are already in the ground, you’re doing it the hard and needlessly difficult way.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You have any helpful links that assisted you with setup? I've been toying the idea but the soil here is horrible. Basically 6 inches of crap soil on top of bedrock. Any help is appreciated as I'm brand new to the idea. I do have some bucket planters that were gifted but other than that not much to start with.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

You are starting way behind here, but I strongly recommend you hit up YouTube to get the basics on the Ruth Stout method and the Hügelkultur method.

I have modified both in the following ways:

First, I stripped away all topsoil. Whether you use or dispose of yours will depend on the availability of good topsoil in your area, and how good the current topsoil actually is. Then I dug down to provide myself with about 50cm (2-3ft) of vertical space to work with (accounting for the maximum height of the final soil level that I don’t want to exceed). If you aren’t doing this near a foundation, or you can still rework the soil to slope away from any foundation, you might be able to ignore this.

For the Hügelkultur method, I went with a flat layout instead of creating humps, and I used wood chips instead of logs and branches. I was aiming for a dense woody later that is laid down about a foot thick, and has about 8-12 inches of soil on top of it. This is meant far more as a decomposing layer that holds onto moisture, as I am in an area with sand and rocks further down that water just drains straight through. Bedrock might have this method as a good idea as well, just lay down an inch or two of sand before you put down the wood chips as a way of water running off if it gets saturated. And if possible, pack down the chips using a powered soil compactor, so you minimize the subsidence as the wood decomposes.

Once the topsoil is down, I finish the soil itself by bringing in several tons of horse manure, and rototilling it in. Horse manure because it doesn’t “burn” roots like steer/cow manure does. This is also why I went with an 8-12in layer of soil - so there is no chance of the rototiller reaching the wood chips. Also: June bugs and other root-sucking grubs love horse manure, be sure to spray with beneficial nematodes every year you supplement with manure.

For Ruth Stout (the soil cover), I have access to several acres of herbicide-free grass via a family orchard. I mow this through the year and pack it into a 8×4×4ft bin (this is fine for up to 1,000ft² of bedding cover, make it commensurately larger for larger gardens). Because I cut and pack when the grass is completely fresh and green, this starts the composting process that kills off any seeds, but the heat of the composting process also stops the process after a short while because I’m not turning over the pile to cool it off and introduce oxygen. This leaves me with lots of barely-composted grass clippings to use as an initial layer (about 60% of the total) when laying down the hay bedding. This suppresses weeds and holds in moisture much better than just hay alone.

You are likely to find green areas which are not treated with herbicide where the owners might permit you to mow and collect the grass clippings. Pretty much any green material, including heavily weed-filled areas, will suffice, as the seeds will be killed off during the composting stage. You want to avoid treated lawns because the herbicide will VERY negatively impact any vegetables you plant. In the end, you will be planting your garden through about a foot of thick hay and grass clippings; separate them by pushing them aside and plant directly into the soil. The grass and hay can also be considered as soil for bulbs and so forth, things like garlic can just be placed directly on top of the soil and re-covered. You will also have to recharge this layer every year by just putting more on top, do so in the early fall once you start shutting down your garden so you don’t disturb any beneficial insects that are bedding down for the winter.

Good luck.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Fruit trees. It's the way to go. So much less work in the log run.

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