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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] hellerphant@lemmy.cafe 63 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

I live and work in Japan, and it definitely is not a very condusive environment for younger Japanese people to have children. My wife and I are both foreigners, and we are in out late 30's and just had our first. The country has some really great benefits and support services for having children, but we definitely would not be able to do this if we worked for Japanese companies, and with the Japanese work mentality.

While it IS getting better, work being the central pillar of life and the expectations from the older generations are still very much a thing. The long hours of paper pushing, the culture of promotion based on age and time served rather than innovation and hard work takes a toll on people. If you are not living in the office in your 20s to show your dedication, you are looked down upon, at least accoridng to my Japanese friends.

Immigration could help fix some of this. Japan is a desireable, largely affordable country, that is safe when it comes to raising children. Living here as a foreigner though has specific challenges, and your job prospects are pretty poor unless you are lucky, and access to housing and just general living can be challenging, even if you can speak Japanese.

I just got a new job in Kyoto, and I currently live in Tokyo. I would say around 40% of the houses we applied to look at would not even let us see the properties because we are foreigners. That's 100% legal and totally ok to say here, and I take that in stride. In Australia (where I am from), they would either just tell you to piss off, or show you the property knowing you don't have a chance, so at least they are upfront about it here I guess. Getting a credit card is a massive ordeal, which you kinda need here because debit cards are increasingly hard to find, and they don't even work for all bills and systems, and getting a bank account ... it all just snowballs.

Also anything outside of the major cities is kinda dead. I love it, but living and thriving there in places that have more space that would probably promote having big families, is nearly impossible, or at least impossibly boring. This is not unique to Japan, Australia is largely the same outside of the main cities.

Not sure what the fix is. But annecdotally I see these articles all the time, and yet there are kids and younger families always around, so not sure if it is as serious as they are saying, or more media hype?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago

I've always had this silly dream of running a large, wealthy tech company, and attempting a startup in Japan, not reliant on business with other Japanese companies, that promotes a healthier work culture, and then stuffs the high productivity results in the faces of other companies. As a stretch goal, it could even locate out in the burbs, with an investment in better infrastructure access.

Japan has so many great things about it, but the major points around banking, sexism, and seniority really twist the image.

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[–] Rookwood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

I believe Japan has less inequality than the US. Not sure on that, but I think it's true. I think in this case we see work culture playing a role. The only country in the world with a worse work culture than the US is Japan. No one has time to even think about having kids when you are a company man there. It's similar in the US.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This is why we need to do something now. Japan has been unable to offer enough of the right incentives to turn their birthrate around so how do we do any better? Act now. They waited until they had a problem before trying to turn it around and it hasn’t worked. Social and economic inertia is very difficult to turn but maybe if we start now, we can have different results. Japan never had much immigration to fall back on but we can use that to buy more time. We have a chance as long as we keep encouraging and welcoming immigration…… shit

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Even as economist talk about the Lost Decade (really, two decades) in Japan, the unemployment rate has always been relatively subdued compared to the US:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LRUN25TTJPA156N

From about 1.7% in 1990, and then two spikes that just about reach 5.0% in 2002 and 2009. Not only that, but that's the range for people 25-54 years old, which isn't equivalent to the headline number typical in the US. There is an equivalent in published US data, and you can see it's much higher and spikier than Japan:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000060

This doesn't mean everything is OK for the working class in Japan. Housing prices are astronomical, requiring 100 year multi-generational loans. Working culture is also far more stressful. However, I think it's fair to ask who the "Lost (two) Decades" is really affecting.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

requiring 100 year multi-generational loans

This is the first I've heard of this and the fact that it's real is insane to me.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 hours ago

I guess it works pretty differently to our system where you borrow x money at y interest rate then? Because otherwise a slight interest rate change has a huge impact, or paying slightly more back would reduce the time to pay it by decades.

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[–] 0101100101@programming.dev 104 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

This problem is not isolated to Japan. Countries all across the world are facing the same issue and have been for a number of years.

Create a shitty, miserable, society with no rights or support, and people do not want to bring children into it.... who'd guess?

The flannel has been wrung dry to the detriment of the working class; there is no where to go, no more water to squeeze from them. This is global society / capitalism falling apart.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago

Exactly its not some mysterious problem no matter how much the government and media try to frame it as one, people of the age to have kids have no time for kids and no money for kids so no wonder they have no desire for kids.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

nothing about the idea of having children appeals to me in the slightest

[–] monomon@programming.dev 22 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

Everyone has their opinions and circumstances, but anecdotally my time with children has been some of the happiest.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 19 hours ago

it's a good thing some people like kids because otherwise im not sure what happens

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 36 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Oh no, not our out of control population growth fueled by resources running out as I type this comment and causing unspeakable damage to the biosphere of the planet.

Whatever will we do if our numbers fall below 7 billion.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 22 hours ago (3 children)
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