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The title's a bit disingenuous, I know: this didn't come out of nowhere. White supremacism is as American as Manifest Destiny and has been heavily intertwined with Nazism from its inception. That overlap with the Republican party, and their gradual slip into the extreme far-right, is evident.

But Seig Heils? Even the most dense among them must know that blatant Nazism hurts their legitimacy in the eyes of the public, even among MAGATs (as is evident right now if you peek at their echo chamber on Reddit). Surely they would have a much easier time pushing their rhetoric and establishing their agenda by keeping a purposeful distance from that sort of indefensible imagery and symbolism. How do they expect to keep cohesion in the military when you imply to the soldiers that they are Nazis now, seig heils and all.

Why Nazis?

Any theories as to where this is coming from? Follow the ketamine-fueled leader? A directive for operative Krasnov, from Putin himself, to implode the country? True Nazi beliefs among the Heritage Foundation, Proud Boys, etc? I just don't understand how they thought this would fly. I don't understand anything anymore lol.

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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Someone that bought his place at the white house did it and didn't get shot by a flamethrower, so all the Nazis hiding literally just below the surface feel ok to talk a little louder now.

Honestly, with sufficient evidence it should be legal to kill them in public and receive any inheritance from their wills. I don't typically enjoy personally hunting people down typically, but these aren't people.

One comment blatantly in favor of it Goodies any human rights in my opinion. It's the only way. They may say it too (vermin, poisoning the blood, etc) but they've only ever been right about themselves.

I would give a pedo human rights before them. And that's saying something.

They're just rabid animals, and I defy anyone to give a reason they deserve a single second of life at all, for any reason, in any context. Maybe with the one exception of using them to find gatherings of others. But that's it.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 31 points 1 day ago

They wrote a nazi manifesto, it got reported on widely, they barely denied it and they won anyway.

Nothing that is happening on their end is the slightest bit unexpected, so I'm just isolating myself from America and Americans as much as I can until I don't get a choice. However, when I see things like this post by accident I do feel a remarkable urge to grab anybody who expresses disappointment or surprise and shake them by the lapels until they pass out.

[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just a lack of Nazi hunters.

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[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wonder the same, my theory is that this gesture is used both as a loyalty test and a way to further polarize society.

Making this gesture draws clear lines in society: those who say it was fine, those who say it wasn't, those who don't take a stance (ie the media calling it a "controversial gesture" or similar). So Musk & al now have a clearer idea of who stand where. It also cleaves those "for" and those "against" further away, solidifying their base.

Another explanation is this is part of the normalization of extreme rethoric and symbols. I doubt he could have gotten away with it ten years ago; who knows what they'll be able to do and say in 2035?

Yet another possibility, he did it on a whim and the neo-nazis like Bannon are now seizing the opportunity. It's unclear how planned this was and how intentional the consequences were.

(And all might be true at once)

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

They have more power than ever.

Even Pence wasn't this stupid, but Vance certainly is.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 23 hours ago

It's always been there; they just stopped even attempting to hide it (even though they never had it very well to begin with).

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

It's always been there. Just now that people in power are the Nazis ppl can come out

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

we're in the end stages of a campaign by assholes to overthrow our deomocracy.

It's been getting waged for decades. they've been doing this shit for years, behind closed doors and they now feel comfortable with being nazis in public.

But Seig Heils? Even the most dense among them must know that blatant Nazism hurts their legitimacy in the eyes of the public, even among MAGATs

"hE wAs jUSt joKING 😡😡😡" -every magat ever

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Astroturfing and boosting on Twitter and other platforms.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

When the Hail Hydra comes out a little too early so they call it a speech impediment.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 15 points 1 day ago

People become less hospitable in economic downturns, remember the original Nazis exploited that in the Versailles hit Weimar.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

They want people to feel like rebels with a cause.

This is a good symbol to make a lot of people your enemies. Your ingroup can now rally against "the establishment".

It couldn't work before, because it made too many enemies for your small ingroup, but we've reached a tipping point where it is feasible to keep a thing going for a while.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Suddenly? Where have you been the last 20 years?

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago

It wasn't sudden, this shit's been muddying the waters for a decade and the precursors were seeping in for another decade or more before that.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

They feel safe, that's why they salute now.

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