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I'm looking to buy a house so I'm going through mortgage stuff, so you inevitably hear a bit about the context for the 2008 financial crisis.

Now, what I've seen a lot from this perspective is that what the banks did wrong was to lend too much money to "anyone who applied". This narrative seems to be the justification for lots of the more invasive and punitive mortgage practices 17 years later.

To me, this is blaming the poor people who needed money for housing, then jacking rates above what they knew borrowers couldn't afford. It drops all blame from the banks who, if anything, are portrayed as "too generous" in this period, which was sadly ruined by idiot poors not paying their bills.

Now it might just be my anecdotal biases at play, but it all gives me the same vibe as carbon footprints: Sure, maybe it wasn't ideal for people to be sold loans who weren't likely to afford them later on, but you motherfuckers made the system whereby housing is either consolidated by shitty landlords or locked behind a lifelong debt designed to bleed you dry for the privilege of "owning" something.

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

the loans they "gave" out were predatory as fuck, ARMs with balloon payments. these were extremely profitable loans and the banks over leveraged themselves to chase them and sign up as many as they could with shit like "Ninja" loans (no income, no job). the nut on those loans was insane for the lender and they would turn around and sell them to investors for big bucks after rating them as AAA safe. you have to remember banks are inverted. banks see savings accounts as liabilities and loans as assets. savings accounts cost them money and loans make them money.

loaning money to people who have shit credit and no collateral is far more profitable than the terms a lender can get loaning money to rich people with assets.

The Big Short is an entertaining movie that is also educational as hell about what happened, from a technical perspective.

the legacy of the GFC in the US for mortgage lenders is PMI aka Personal Mortgage Insurance. this is a mandated insurance premium the borrower has to pay on top of principal+interest payments on a loan that is "riskier". that's right, the insurance on a riskier loan is paid for by the borrower, but the lender is the beneficiary if the borrower defaults.

it's a beautiful system for capital formations.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everything you said is true, but framed from the perspective of the banks.

Reframed:

People who wanted to own a home went to their bank, expecting their bank to act in their best interests. That person in the office must be highly educated, and if I couldn't afford my new home, they would tell me. Right? And, surely, they must be regulated by the government! If they lied to me, there would be penalties! They're legally obligated to do that—right?

And that banker said, "Of course you can afford to buy a home! Hey, I know your credit history hasn't been great in the past, but you can do it!"

Then the bank did some finance wizardry (also known as crimes), and said those loans are extremely cool and good. And the whole thing collapsed when everybody else realized they weren't.

[–] Terrarium@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Even more dramatically, the banks went to the proles and advertised that even with bad credit and small down payment you could get a mortgage, escaping your landlord and becoming housing secure.

[–] Terrarium@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Yes it was a fully top-down, banker-spun narrative for how people buying subprime mortgages were "irresponsible" rather than the massively overleveraged financialization of all mortgages, including subprime, by the banks. This is part of a common PR scheme by which to blame "consumers" and the poor for problems created by capitalism and the ruling class. Same as telling people to budget better when they complain about real wages dropping. Or to "sell-improve" if you've been unemployed and are desperate for a job. It's not that the fed created a baseline level of unemployment in the intetests of capital, it's that you didn't divine what skills were most in demand by capital 10 years before they needed them.

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I've heard it exclusively explained the same way, so probably

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something else to note: it was one of the largest thefts of black wealth in US history, if not the largest. People not only had their homes pulled out from under them, they were then made to pay the bank for the privilege.

Obama bailing out the banks (which had to be done), but then not punishing the bankers or then moving on to help people get their homes back, has caused trauma that won't ever get fixed. It was redlining all over again in 2008.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I recently listened to the Planet Money podcast's episode on the zombie mortgages that got sold to people under the Obama bailout plan. Even if you survived 2008 you could end up being foreclosed on by a secret mortgage that lenders just claimed was forgiven. Truly axis of evil shit

[–] chauncey@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Read "Chain of Title"