If first interracial kiss on TV is Woke then I don't wanna be anything but.
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Don't forget The Measure of a Man. We literally watched that in 9th grade American History, as a commentary about slavery.
It reminds me of those people that claim The X-Men have gotten "woke" even though that's been the whole point of the comic since the 60's or worse yet those poor souls out there who thought Rage Against the Machine was getting too political lol
"Please, if you find one of our songs that isn't political, please show it to me so I can verify and have it removed." - Tom Morello
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I wonder what these people think "the machine" means 😭
the printer obvs
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Don't forget that the whole Federation is a post captialist utopia which is a political statement in itself.
Don’t forget that the whole Federation is a post captialist utopia which is a political statement in itself.
Great point!
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I never understood that complaint about Star Trek. The series has ALWAYS been woke since the beginning.
True in a way, but it was more philosophical and not "in your face". It made you think about it, and the story was way waay better and deeper than today's pew-pew starwars approach to star trek. Every episode had a meaning and a lession.
True in a way, but it was more philosophical and not “in your face”.
they did the first US interracial kiss during a time that would be controversial.
it was "in your face"
It was much better integrated into the story. The problem isn't the message, it's the writing.
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Kinda like people complaining Rage Against the Machine becoming political.
Always has been.
I don't know about woke but I liked Trek before it got boring and poorly written -_-
We have The Orville today for good Trek
I really tried to like that show but it's just ... Bad. To each their own but I'd rather just rewatch TNG or whatever other Star Trek. That show feels like it doesn't have an identity, the writers couldn't decide what kind of show they were writing and the acting is subpar.
Of course, if you enjoy it that's all that really matters - keep on watching and having fun!
How far did you make it? Season 1 is a bit painful, Season 2 is better but Season 3 is a big shift.
Seth McFarland's humor is not very good...
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Can't stomach McFarlane unfortunately. I'm told it gets better later on but his sense of humor is just like nails on a chalkboard to me. Couldn't get myself to finish the first season.
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My favorite detail of the TNG episode "The Outcast" is that the writers were pushing for an episode that touched on sexuality but Rick Berman wouldn't go for it. So the writers gave a figurative "fuck you" and wrote an episode on gender identity instead.
And while Berman was occupied holding TNG back the DS9 writers had enough freedom to use the Dax symbiote's multiple lifetimes to explore sexuality instead.
Does anyone else remember that TNG had a recurring background character who was just a regular crewman but he always wore a Star Fleet dress or skirt that would just walk around in the background of scenes? He may have had heels as well, I can’t remember. Regardless I always thought it was neat that they never made a big deal out of it or a joke
Its a type of uniform called a Skant. It was TNG trying to make the TOS miniskirts unisex. It only lasted a couple seasons I think, but it's gotten a couple callbacks on Lower Decks.
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Trek on gender: "Don't care, will smash" -- Kirk & Ryker
PS: Memba when Ryker was captured by a pre-First Contact civ and he had to bribe a nurse with an alien kink with sex in order to escape? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I remember that being a little more "coercive and rapey" than bribing, since the nurse was the one who demanded "fuck me and I'll set you free, or you can wait for whatever they are going to do to you."
I get Riker is full of fucks to give, but he didn't seem terribly pleased with not having a choice.
True
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What?! Fashion-Lizard and his Sidekick Dr.Twink are Woke?! I can't believe it!
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Oh, OG Trek was woke AF, but it wasn't done as ham-handed and hackey as what is happening now. It used to feed open-mindedness into everyone's living room and was generally welcome to do so. What we have now is just slapping you in the face with its floppy cock of wokeness every chance it gets. There is now almost no actual plot other than that. Doctor Who is doing the exact same thing. Can nothing of my childhood just be left the fuck alone? I mean, yeah, represent the marginalized. Make female heroes, or transgender, or whatever and whoever you feel needs to be represented or empowered. Do all of that, but do you have to rewrite absolutely everything ever written to do it? Have an original thought. Honestly, at this point, it is just lazy writing masquerading as woke.
I think this is generally what I hear when it comes to "woke" media. I always chalk it up to media having no clue on how normal humans function in a society.
but it wasn’t done as ham-handed and hackey as what is happening now.
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No mebtion of space communism? The federation is Marxist
The Federation is not Marxist, communist, or socialist. These economic systems rely on a monetary framework where scarcity dictates value. In the Star Trek universe, scarcity has been eliminated on Earth. There is no energy crisis, no poverty, and no starvation. Transportation is instantaneous, and every individual's basic needs are met. With no financial struggle, humanity is no longer constrained by the pursuit of wealth. The Federation is not built on enforced equality but on a shared enlightenment. With abundant resources, every person enjoys a high standard of living.
What? No. Marxism notes that scarcity wouldn't be a thing with increasing industrialization. Indeed, it isn't; we have plenty of resources to put a roof over everyone's head and food in their belly. The base of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs can be completely covered, and the rest are not necessarily best fulfilled by mere material possessions. We could have the whole thing done in a year if society simply made the choice.
Now, I don't think the Federation is Marxist, because we actually know very little about how the economy works at all. There's contradictory information, it might depend on what time period or planet you're talking about, and the writers have generally been uninterested in exploring the economy beyond superficial mentions.
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I mean Sisko kind of does when he describes how the Bell riots have to take place before we unite as a planet and join the Federation
Well
End-game socialist
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Star Trek is and always has been deeply and inherently political
Wait until people finally get the epiphany that Star Trek is advocating for a world government. And how many here, including outside the Internet, would actually like that?
Precisely.
I don't know. I might like that? It depends a lot on how it is implemented and who is in charge. 😅
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People whined about black hobbits and elves.
I liked Trek before Alex Kurzman stuck his filthy fingers in it and made entire franchise a steaming pile of dog shit.
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