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[–] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm from Brazil. It's impressive how fast BYD cars have been multiplying in my city.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, it's because they are cheap and decent. But I guess it's impressive since other car makers have failed to do the same thing.

Where I live, electric cars are much more expensive than fuel cars. We do have these Chinese low cost cars too though but they are probably not great for winter. I don't trust things not to break.

It's like Teslas, also not known for their quality, despite their high price.

If it's one thing I want to have good quality, it's my car, since my life can depend on it.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well, we know why they're cheap now lol

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We have evidence now, but I could have told you this years ago. Cheap products have been the product of environmental and human rights abuses for a long, long time.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Oh, I'm well aware of that. The part that grabbed my attention is that it appeared these were migrant workers brought in to Brazil.

Essentially the cheap Chinese factories are diversifying where they are located, but not how they staff them.

Because they subsidized the technology and industry in China. If Apple bids out a contract to build a manufacturing plant in the U.S. and someone makes a bid that looks good, they take it. If it got halted because the company was using minors and paying illegal migrants under the table to build it, it is a terrible thing, but it wasn't Apple that did those things, and in ruth I would say Apple may have grounds to sue for the impact it would have on their image. The company that made the bid and did illegal acts should not have done those things.

Apple and BYD don't construct manufacturing plants... They bid them out to companies that do. They should come down hard on those companies if they are using illegal practices to make cheaper bids to encourage companies to go with them. The biggest fault they would have is if they found out it was going on and didn't bring it to authorities.

[–] normal_user@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just to make things more clear for people, this is about subcontractors, employed by what looks to be a local building company that is making a new factory for BYD EVs.

I think the article's title really makes it look like BYD is the one withholding passports and wages, but actually they are not and inside the article they say BYD has already asked the subcontractor to improve working conditions before it became news, but they didn't comply.

The article doesn't specify how much BYD's executives knew or if they had the ability to change things by their own choise.

[–] graymess@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it's BYD's responsibility to know such things. This feels like the argument Hershey's made when they got caught using slave labor to source their cacao.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, absolutely. They can't simply shift all responsibility to someone else.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

had their passports and salaries withheld by a building company

Usually "conditions similar to slavery" in Brazil doesn't imply the people can't quit their jobs. This is fucking "literal", not "similar".

Also, WTF, importing cheap workers to a job in Brazil is close to absurd. They aren't allowed to pay less than they would pay a local.