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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 112 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Only people’s movements built on collective non-violent struggle will be able to successfully resist the MAGA agenda and compel change that meets the needs of the great mass of working and oppressed people in the U.S. and internationally.

Oh, honey, bless your heart

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 82 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 60 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lmao they really did him like that?

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago

Yeah it's pretty rough

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

CPUSA is trapped in amber from the civil rights era of politics.

[–] iie@hexbear.net 75 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Except there were widespread riots in the civil rights era, violent unrest was a major factor behind the civil rights act. They’re trapped in the version of the civil rights era that we learn about in high school.

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Imagine learning about the civil rights era in high school instead of stopping at WW1 every year

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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

non-violent struggle

michael-laugh

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Marx and Engels wrote plenty about how violence might be unavoidable. Y'know, the people who Marxist-Leninists (CPUSA is supposedly ML) beliefs are fundamentally based on. Lenin had quite similar things to say. Condemning adventurism is a common ML line, but they seem to go a bit far.

"Will the peaceful abolition of private property be possible? It would be desirable if this could happen, and the communists would certainly be the last to oppose it....But they also see that the development of the proletariat in nearly all civilised countries has been violently suppressed...we communists will defend the interests of the proletarians with deeds as we now defend them with words" - Engels. Where are they getting that "only..non-violent struggle" from?

I mean, I sorta get where they're coming from, endorsing violence has dubious legality, but if you have to compromise so hard why say anything at all.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"do not haggle over principles, do not make 'concessions' in theory" - marx
"Without a revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement" - lenin

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 91 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Everyone: "Join an org"

The org:

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] LisaTrevor@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago

Disco Elysium communist quest finale spoileri'm in a three person book club with a drug addled amnesiac cop, we're levitating matchbooks with our minds, fuck you mean i'm not organized


[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

We're going to start an org and we're going to do communism and you won't be invited based-department

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 73 points 2 months ago (2 children)

CPUSA officially condemns Luigi for doing propaganda of the deed

bloomer

says he should have phone banked towards "Medicare For All" instead

lukashenko-tired

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago

If you actually read the statement they pointedly never condemned Luigi but instead explicitly condemned United Health.

They did try to spin this into a revival of m4a when its clearly dead. At this point GameStop style shenanigans would be more effective than phone banking.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

says he should have phone banked towards "Medicare For All" instead

They didn't say that, this post's title came from a r/Trueanon post that similarly did them dirty.

All the article does is call for mass action rather than individual violence that probably (let's see if there are any copycats) lead to anything

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hexbear: I wonder who's the admin behind the "lionizing Luigi is cringe" ruling?

Hexbear goes to unhood the shadowy figure only for the shadowy figure to dramatically unhood themselves and reveal themselves to be

Pluto: It's me, Hexbear!

Hexbear: Aw, son of a b*tch.

Pluto: It was me all along, Hexbear!

[–] miz@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago
[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I hate that we can't disband the cpusa because the feds would just make another new one full of feds.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Despite recognizing a real issue, Mangione acted in an individualistic manner that doesn’t strengthen the struggle for real change in this system on behalf of the people who require healthcare and their families and communities.

This hardly much of a condemnation and is basically what most socialist organizations would put out. You basically say this or say nothing at all.

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

Agreed its mostly the the non-violence part and the lib “oh call your senator” thing that gets people riled.

[–] Red_Renewal_Cosmonaut@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

CPUSA needs to disband, their stance on gaza is evil

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

i-cant

Death to America

Liberalism.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 months ago

I am being proven right about my decision to leave CPUSA every day

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

as if anyone needed further reason to avoid that org at all costs

[–] dRLY@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

It would have been better if they had just not said anything. Or if they had to still say anything, they could have focused on how this could be a point of building solidarity. Even right-wing working class people are in agreement on how fucked for-profit healthcare is for all of us. But no, they chose to take the same general path as the capitalist propaganda outlets. They hate using real material moments to do revolutionary shit. Deny, Defend, Depose!

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

why condemn luigi when he didn't do anything?

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

well he did retweet that shit

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

very true, my mistake

[–] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why the fuck even call it communist at this point?

‘The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.’

[–] jack@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims

I dunno, CPUSA is pretty open about their views and aims to elect democrats

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

""radical"" political orgs using wordpress (to the point of not even bothering to change the favicon) are honeypots. prove me wrong.

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

wordpress favicon is an immediate signal that your ops team are clowns

[–] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was paying dues to cpusa a while ago but I stopped after hearing their opinion on Israel.

They are a deeply unserious org.

The PSL seems to be run much better and has actually good opinions

[–] jack@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

My PSL branch just poached the only valuable local CPUSA member soviet-huff

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