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I've been telling people, if an admin defeds lemmygrad for some smarmy ass lying complete libshit reasons like Ada did, you should have 0 (zero) confidence that she or any other admin who does the same will be willing to engage y'all in good faith and actually work to change their instance, there isn't a single reason to defed lemmygrad that couldn't also be used to defed Hexbear for other than maybe lemmygrad is more sectatarian but that makes up maybe 1% of the content on our comms, or maybe that it's not as outwardly pro-trans*, but then again it's also the only instance in the threadiverse that I'm aware of that specifically makes you give your view on gender as part of it's application to weed out transphobes before they can even make an account (I'm not even sure how many instances even still use applications).

Brigading? I've seen more links dropped in hexbear threads in the like 2 weeks y'all have been federated than I did in 3 months on lemmygrad

Trolling? Y'all literally have an emote of a fucking pig shitting on its own testicles, what trolling can lemmygrad even conjure to compare to that

"being ok with wishing death on the people of Nato" this is the most baffling one, y'all literally have an emote dedicated to this kind of comment that has a nuke symbol and says "Please, Xi" that's used to say that the entirety of the west should be nuked and destroyed which is the exact same of comments made on lemmygrad just without the emote, and that's just the ones that use that emote in particular.

It may look like I'm saying I told you so because, well, I am, I told you so. I would be extremely surprised if that shithead of a mod gets removed, I put it at about the same chances as blahaj refederating with lemmygrad (so never, lol).

*I'm sure lemmygrad could be better in some way about this, but at the same time 11% of our users were trans when we did a survey 2 months ago, which I hope means that it's generally still a good, safe instance for our trans comrades (P.S. WE LOVE OUR TRANS COMRADES)

Edit: some further evidence of shit lib behavior, when she originally defederated lemmygrad it's not like she put effort to remain federated like y'all did, she dropped 2 (two) comments deep in some random ass thread where she called us tankies, this person was never going to put in the same kind of effort that y'all were going to, forgot about this until after I made the post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 their instance is struggling so here's a screenshot if you can't load them

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[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't even realize they defederated from us already. All because we're NATOphobic πŸ˜”

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How dare you malign the historically marginalised people of NATO!

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Oh no now hexbear's gonna defederate from us too! 😭😭

[–] BlueMagaChud@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was looking forward to you doing an "I told you so" post, and you're right to say it. It became clear that they're mostly 196 funny-clown-hammer libs who intended to string us along for as many concessions as they could get before springing the inevitable defederation, so I'm glad our beautiful mods preempted them before those parasites could take much advantage of our good will.

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I guess I should say I really admire the optimism and commitment for trans solidarity in the lemmyverse by a bunch of hexbear users, but I really don't think this could have gone any other way unfortunately, anyone who uses the word tankie like that has shown their true colors, the only reason I can think for why y'all didn't just get the exact same treatment as lemmygrad (i.e. defederated and announced deep in a random comment section), is that everyone and their mother already knew how pro-trans hexbear is and it would have been too bad of a look for their instance to do that?

[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

downbear Defederating with blahaj was the right move, but I don't think federating with them and at least trying was the wrong move either. Our short federated time meant we got a lot of users make accounts here, and I think a lot of users who stayed are now hyper-aware of their troubling internal politics (one of the top comments in the 'Hexbear defederated' thread is 'I'm concerned about 196'). If we never make efforts to outreach and talk with troubling libs, then we are doing absolutely nothing but preaching to ourselves.

Finding libs on which to directly dunk is the closest posting comes to praxis.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

i think trying was a good idea at least so that now the trans users of blahaj know there are other options out there. i strongly believe in trans unity and really wanted it to work out, but the fact is there are a ton of cis wreckers on blahaj making trans unity impossible with them. we've already seen many trans users of blahaj jump ship to here

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

but I don’t think federating with them and at least trying was the wrong move either.

You're arguing against a point that I didn't make. https://hexbear.net/comment/3601741 here I am advocating for hexbear to federate with everyone with a blocklist instead of an allowlist, but my point was that it was a waste of time to try and please the blahaj admins (or any other shitlib admin), the rules hexbear set out at the beginning of federation were just fine.

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[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I haven't done anything, haven't expected anything and yet I'm disappointed.

And yeah, because our emoji game here on Lemmygrad is so lackluster I've mostly been using hexbear emojis. But because they are written in text, only hexbaristas can see them. Also yes, I remember all the emoji names I use by heart.

Either way, I don't really care lmao :rotato-chip:

The only "problem" I have with federation is because you guys swarmed us so bad I see much less Lemmygrad posts xD. Even look at me! I'm more active on Hexbear lmao

[–] sicklemode@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

The only "problem" I have with federation is because you guys swarmed us so bad I see much less Lemmygrad posts xD. Even look at me! I'm more active on Hexbear lmao

[–] GayActorMichaelDouglas@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Leave me alone :angery:

I totally don't have bias towards :rotato-chip:, totally. :rotato-chip: is just a good emoji ok :angery:

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Rotato chip is a top-tier pun

[–] GayActorMichaelDouglas@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I'm literally unironically soyfacing at the rotato. It's hands down the best emoji I've seen.

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Then I go from :angery: to :sicko-yes:

:rotato-chip:

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you guys

wait wait wait I'm a Gradian too :cri:

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We're all hexbaristas now. We've effectievly been colonised.

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[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

libs are for dunking on, not trusting stalin-approval

[–] a_talking_is2@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To me it wasn't. I knew western libs. They were never real about it. They just built a "culture" around a limited number of left-wing issues that didn't go against their core beliefs and now just keep being chauvinists.

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

no more half measures walter

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wasn't surprised. I could smell Adas bad faith from a mile away.

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't mean to say every hexbear user, but I myself have been a little shocked by how many hexbear users seemed on board with bending backwards for blahaj

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

I just wanted our trans comrades to have more friends on a trans-friendly instance, but 196 just really makes it a cesspool.

trans-heart

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly it was worthwhile for our new trans comrades. I didn't think it would ever last given all the problems with blajah.

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Maybe I should edit my post, my point wasn't that hexbear shouldn't have federated with blahaj, I'm in favor of federating with basically every instance besides complete nazi and spam ones, but I saw multiple people arguing that hexbear should curtail its behavior so that blahaj wouldn't defederate it and I've seen surprise that Ada acted like this, that's more what my post is about, that trying to cater to shitlibs will get you absolutely no where and no one should have been surprised by this series of events

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

personally, I hoped we'd be able to block the problematic comms but keep the trans comms linked. it's their inability to enforce their own ToS on their moderators that actually surprises me. I think I've just forgotten what libs are like over the past few years and I think that's true for a lot of us. we're used to moderators and admins taking a firm hand while responding to input from the community. the spinelessness is more galling than anything else.

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that's fair, I've been on lemmygrad even a few weeks before the great reddit logo migration, and so I've just seen for like 2 months straight how all these lib admins act towards lemmygrad, and hexbear is really not that different as far as politics go and is more "disruptive" as far as its posting style and activity levels go, so I just don't see a world where they won't use the exact same excuses to defed hexbear. Case in point, Beehaw has basically said they've defederated from lemmygrad because of hate speech (lol), and lo and behold hexbear is also mysteriously defederated, probably for "hate speech"

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

oh yeah, beehaw defederated us before we cut over to lemmy proper and before the site url had changed. it was very funny and there were a couple of shitposts suggesting we not change the url so their block wouldn't work.

left unity gives us a bit of cover cause it's not immediately obvious that we're going to come in hot about like, China. it's enough room that diplomacy can work - but it takes admins who are willing to take a firmer stand. if Ada had banned that 196 mod and the user claiming we were faking being trans, we'd still be federated. that's all it would have taken to make comm blocking on both sides a feasible option. it's the lack of principles and lackadaisical approach to moderation that actually spiked things. ideological differences only highlighted that deeper tension.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

multiple people arguing

I don't think any of this arguing matters, mattered or will matter in the future. Hexbear is what it is, and any comm we federate with is going to be treated by the lion's share of Hexbear users as though it's a Hexbear comm. We're not a political party disciplined by its leadership into upholding certain norms - we're a bunch of individuals who are all acting on our id impulses on a pseudonymous website.

Same goes for the other instances, which is why I view defederation and the splitting of the lemmyverse into multiple "blocs" as basically inevitable.

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

I'd just like to point out that xi-plz gets an exemption as it's not political, but religious.

Thanks! posadist-nuke

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