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[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 167 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Trump will continue to play grab ass with the fuck-around gang until he finds the exact line in the sand that guarantees he gets held in pre-trial detention. If he gets thrown in the slammer while awaiting trial he will claim he is a political prisoner, and if they don't stick him there he will do everything in his power to commit soft-treason through his cult. Everything surrounding Trump is, and always has been a lose/lose situation for this country.

Until he is made to suffer serious consequences for his violent petulence and penchant for authoritarianism things will never move forward in any meaningful way. He is a distraction that, when all is said and done, will have stagnated the progress of this country for a decade at minimum.

Edit: Accidentally a word

[–] maynarkh 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Everything surrounding Trump is, and always has been a lose/lose situation for this country.

It's like the whole US is scared of a scar so they keep delaying the op to get the tumor out.

[–] terabytes@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the greater fear is that anything done against him becomes fuel for the Republicans/conservatives to elect an even worse human being.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While I generally agree with you assessment, I think it is important to note that not punishing Trump would embolden or exacerbate his brand of bully pulpit tactics even more. This fear of retribution just means we need to be ever vigilant, and take the threat of authoritarian minority rule seriously.

That is what we are ultimately talking about, and the only way to prevent that is to stay engaged politically, and to hold our leaders to account whenever they trample on the rights of our fellow citizens or our democracy.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Exactly. The only thing you get with appeasement is vindicated bullies. justice must fall. or the US falls. if he goes this far without consequnces... then the next guy will go a little bit further and a little bit further. In fact, that's pretty much the TLDR of Trump's entire political career.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Although sitting in a cell is my favored outcome for him for doing this, I would love it if the judge just barred him from using electronic devices. Can you imagine how pissed off he'd be?

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Will that order include a dude following him around and slapping phones out of his hand? Because he is already not allowed to talk about the case and he just ignored it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Did you ever see the old Disney cartoon, The Band Concert, where Donald Duck just keeps pulling flutes out of everywhere like up his sleeve and under his hat? You're making me think that's what Trump will do. Hide phones everywhere so he can constantly sneak onto TruthSocial. In his socks, in his underwear, under his MAGA cap...

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (14 children)

So we take the "Lock Him Up" approach and if anyone has a problem with that, we lock them up too.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 85 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cool.

I hear the DC jail cells are quite comfortable according to the chuds he sent to kill the VP and other congress critters.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Can't wait for the singalong Maga inmates album with all the hits - God bless America, YMCA.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago (3 children)

He's testing to see how far he can push. But he's going to find out Jack Smith pushes back a hell of a lot harder.

[–] Plaid_Kaleidoscope@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

I fucking love that guy. As an aspirational lawyer, what a role model!

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And he will continue doing this until someone finally starts treating him like any other person doing the exact same thing and throw his ass in jail for it on the first violation.

Trump does this because he's spent 77 years of his life suffering exactly no consequences for his words or actions. And for the past 8 years, he's been staring down our entire legal system as if to say "I'll do what I want, what are you going to do about it", and the answer he's been getting is "Nothing". His base has been funding his legal defense and paying off what few token fines he's had to pay.

Why shouldn't he keep doing this? He's approaching his NINTH DECADE on this planet doing it with resounding success, and nobody seems to be willing to actually draw AND DEFEND the line in the sand. If they actually want him to stop with the attacks, the one and only option that will work is to throw his ass in jail until the trial.

And if they're not willing to do that instead of tiptoeing around the issue, politely requesting that he stop, and wondering why nothing ever changes, then they need to suck it up and deal with it, because he's not going to stop. Jail his ass until the trial(s), or accept that this is the reality for the next several years.

[–] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Part of the reason why nothing ever changes is the people who want to see him jailed for his many crimes - including the crimes being committed while in the middle of actively getting in trouble for the same crimes - carry on with their lives as if everything is normal.

If Trump were (rightly) jailed months before trial because of his bullshit, his base would likely go full revolution domestic terrorism mode. Fox news would blast the horn of Gondor and every red hat would start marching to the beating the drum of civil war (hint, many already are). These people have proven they'll happily risk throwing their lives away in federal jail to make this happen.

All laws and actions aren't actually governed by anyone but the people. We are allowing this to happen by not shutting down the economy and forcing the wealthy to act in our best interest and not theirs. From Trump to wages and healthcare its the exact same answer. They do what they get away with and if we don't stop them they'll just push harder.

I'm not trying to pass the buck, or victim blame, or suggest that standing on a corner with a sign is the answer. But the right wing are super organized and have a base that's ready to go nuclear against their own country for any reason because they want to get their way (they often don't even know their way, just enemy bad), and other political groups simply don't have this kind of energy and commitment - which is fair because deprogramming a cult member is exceptionally hard, and isn't permanent, and the cult is also on several 24 hour channels.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“That’s what they’re doing. ‘I’m sorry, I won’t be able to go to Iowa today. I won’t be able to go to New Hampshire today,’” he said. “Because I’m sitting in a courtroom on bull—-.”

The crowd cheered and broke into chants of “bull——!”

They’re caracitures of themselves at this point.

[–] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 47 points 2 years ago (13 children)

reminds me of that Ken Patti twitter post:

I forced a bot to watch over 1,000 hours of Trump rallies and then asked it to write a Trump rally of its own. Here is the first page.

[–] TastyWheat@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is my favourite post today oh my god. Four more swamps!

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lets not ignore the glorius coal milk and digging for it, or the animated gun.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

Man in a hard hat, man in a harder hat, gun that is alive.

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[–] HWK_290@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Arby's food is fine to eat

😂

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[–] keeb420@kbin.social 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So he's gonna keep intimidating witnesses and the judge and prosecution. Great. If he was poor and trying this shit he'd be locked up yesterday.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

He would have been locked up on Jan 6th.

[–] ronalicious@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

or a minority

[–] darmabum@lemm.ee 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I know that Jack Smith, and Fanni Willis, are too professional to be bothered by such inflammatory remarks, but it can’t be a smart move to attack the people who are writing indictments. Not all the donations in the world can make up for what he will face in prison.

[–] BrudderAaron@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While I really REALLY hope he doesn't weasel himself out of this, our justice system highly favors people with money to pay for crimes to go away.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trump’s old buddy Jeff Epstein was successful using that method… until he wasn’t.

[–] ronalicious@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

still... no justice there

[–] clickyclack@lemmy.kya.moe 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder when the big republican donors will give up throwing money at the problem. A twice impeached, twice loser of the general election, 3 indictments so far and DeSantis fighting shadows and losing. I'd just save my money for the midterms

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[–] xT1TANx@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope he does. He will violate the order and be thrown in jail until trial. That would be phenomenal.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 2 years ago

Honestly you could predict that man more accurately than the weather.

He keeps going on about an secret cabal trying to take him down, and he's right there is one, it's him.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In the early voting state of New Hampshire, Trump assailed Smith as a “thug prosecutor” and a “deranged guy” a week after being indicted on felony charges for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The former president lobbed the insults at Smith just days after the Department of Justice asked a judge to approve a protective order stopping Trump from publicly disclosing evidence.

In the four-count indictment filed against Trump last week, the Justice Department accused him of orchestrating a scheme to block the peaceful transfer of power.

He was told by multiple people in trusted positions that his claims were false, prosecutors said, but he spread them anyway to sow public mistrust about the election.

Trump, who is also facing charges in Florida and New York, is gearing up for a possible fourth indictment, in a case out of Fulton County, Georgia, over alleged efforts by him and his allies to illegally meddle in the 2020 election in that state.

Trump, who has portrayed the investigations as politically motivated, said they are forcing him “to spend time and money away from the campaign trail in order to fight bogus made-up accusations and charges.”


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[–] Putykat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago
[–] Tylerdurdon@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago

He's just doing what he always does: talk as much trash about how he's not afraid and harassing the opposition, but I guarantee that if the order goes through, he'll get very vague very fast. Bullies are always a bunch of talk until the real muscle comes in.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

He knows that he's not going to see consequences no matter what he does.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, until something actually happens he will continue to do this

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I've seen nothing to indicate that he will ever encounter consequences.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

“I believe the preside has learned his lesson” -wise words from a stupid woman

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Let him keep talking until the court sees no other way than to lock him up and take away his phone to prevent further damage.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

https://archive.is/dAnTm

^Don't forget these! These Republicans (16) tried to overthrow elections

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Government: "Hey, Trump wants to try this case in the media, which will negatively impact the ability of the court to maintain a fair trial. This is one of the reasons that the court should issue a protective order."

Trump: "THAT'S RIGHT, I'M DOING IT RIGHT NOW!"

[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keep talking. I’m sure it’ll get him to jail quicker if he starts to leak info about the discovery and witnesses…

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The two-tiered justice system is a freaking joke. I was taught my entire life that we are all equal under the law (yeah, I know). Anyone else, not rich/white, would be behind bars already awaiting his trial. trump just continuing to damage the country.

[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread

- Anatole France

[–] Helldiver_M@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trump jail any% speedrun, lets gooooooo

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