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[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wyoming is one of the states with the highest percentages of indigenous people so yea this checks out

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Oh wow that's even more disgusting of that poster.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We've had first settler-colonial ethnostate, but what about second settler-colonial ethnostate?

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Between the Dutch, the English, the French, the Spanish, and the dreaded scourge of anti-italian-action we're on our fourth or fifth settler state, easy.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Elevensies, you say?

[–] johnmccainstumor@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

New York City?

How would you like a settler colonialist state in your settler colonialist state?

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Settler-colonial state squared.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago
[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What we should’ve done in the first place

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"We"

American Leftists always transform into wannabe Stalins at Yalta whenever the topic of Israel comes up, determining the best way of how an ethnostate should have been created instead of the way it was IRL.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really, we’re getting mad at using a generalized “we” in a joke about Germany? Is that really an important issue here?

To be clear, I don’t actually think we should’ve carved an Israel out of Germany either, I just think it would’ve been more appropriate than the actual creation of Israel and drawing a random red line on a map in Germany and writing “Israel” is amusing.

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really, we’re getting mad at using a generalized “we” in a joke about Germany? Is that really an important issue here?

Yes, I'm a party-pooper. soviet-chad

It annoys me because it's common and the message behind it is "it's fine if the other side is morally bad enough" as well as the underlying lack of criticism to the concept of nation states. Also, it's not funny.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why do we need to criticize the concept of a nation state every time? If the premise is that it will happen regardless, I’m not going to waste my time on that. I would rather suggest an alternative path for the inevitable.

it's fine if the other side is morally bad enough

Correct

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Correct

Moralism is cringe and a bad criteria for whether something should or should not be done.

Why do we need to criticize the concept of a nation state every time?

You say that because you have no problems with nationalism, as long as it's done by the people you like of course - so much for a stateless, classless society.

Edit: My accusatory tone in the last sentence was kind of pointless. Choosing to support nationalisms around the world because of x and y reason do not mean that you support nationalism in itself, be it from we have to work with what we have/"critical support" angles or genuine approval of nationalism.

Proletarians tending towards nationalism feel like they have a reason for it - be it because they think the world outside the borders is a threat, be it from capitalist competition hurting the local bourgeois, immigrants scary or being targeted for daring to even consider reformist politics. I see it as a bit of a pointless endeavour for communists in the west - to critical support this, critical support that. However, material aid is a different thing - libs' NGOs spread around their ideology and supporters' economic interests to all corners of the world from material aid (or promises thereof) to avalanches of propaganda. A communist organization donating to proletarian organizations in need of it (like say medical aid to Cuba) or a union blocking weapons shipment to warzones does work to build a movement, no matter how weak we are atm, without needing to compromise on one's principles or going "it's good when they do it".

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

"Why don't we just take over a place? Who cares if there are people living there or the historical claims of others, they don't matter enough for me to even consider their existence" is very on-brand for the Zionists.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Zionists: "We're not colonizers the Arabs are the real colonizers who genocided us"

Also zionists: "Hey why don't we colonize a state in the US because there's 'uninhabited land'? "

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"All we have to do is decide to move there"

[–] D61@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

"It says right here in the Torah that King Herrod gave the Jews the land of Myntania so... yeah... why not?" isntrael

[–] Self_Hating_Moid@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

this has to be some 4chan nazi does this because thsi legit just reads like one of their antisemitic wojak comics

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Sadly if you look at the comments I don't think that is the case.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

If you take out the nouns it's really hard to distinguish between zionist and nazi screeds.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

Creating a Jewish Autonomous Oblast, but cringe.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We should give every ethno nationalist a state. As in one state for all of them. Just Madagascar plan all of these weirdos and come back 5 years later when they've all killed each other.

[–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then we'll have found the strongest nationalist and we can take our nationalist and pit it against the other nationalists in the international nationalist tournament and regatta.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Somehow it's Rattata.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Gotta keep the nationalists

Waaaaay down in the hole

[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ethnonationalists should all move to Antarctica

[–] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

The whitest continent

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Tagged antisemitism

Yep, it sure is

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps a bit of gallows humor, but I'm imagining a Gaza Strip but everyone is a cowboy now.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Wyoming is also very chud heavy and would probably not like the idea of a large number of Jewish people moving in

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

These Zionists are taking a page out of the Rajneesh playbook.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Zionists say without Israel, no Jew can ever be safe. Even Biden said this on a late night show. It seems like even liberals don’t believe that Jews can ever be integrated into their society. But somehow it’s not antisemitic.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

This is just the Libertarian "Free State Project" writ Israeli.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Mormons will fight you for it

Good for 'em, that's 2 birds, 1 stone...

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Isn't that what Utah was supposed to be?

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

i still think it should have been new jersey from the start

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Support this but in Florida instead of Wyoming.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

OK how about giving them New York?

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

How about we don't even entertain Zionists and their twisted ideals?

Co-existence should be the goal, not segregation. Segregation doesn't stop hate crimes and genocide. The Palestinians had a wall built around them, you can't get more segregated than that. Look what's happening today (and for the last 75 years); co-existence is the key.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Well the "sale" of that region has a few problems, but yes there you go, we've rediscovered multiculturalism. Forgive me for praising the Great Satan, but the creation of such a diverse city (that is also a safe home to over a million Jews) is probably America's greatest accomplishment. Shame it'll be destroyed by the capitalocene. Negation of the negation. shrug-outta-hecks

[–] DrCrustacean@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Can someone post the copypasta of the red pill guy talking about taking of new zealand

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

This is the 2nd nickel I get to put in my "abrahamic religious group declaring a u.s state as their homeland" jar. Which is weird bc I never thought I'd get to put another.

settlers actually have only ever had one idea and keep coming up with it again and again.

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