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Here are the 70 House Republicans who voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
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Republicans control the House.
However, when the Dems did recently control the House, they managed to pass the infrastructure act, and the inflation reduction act, two huge pieces of domestic legislation.
When the Rs had the House, Senate, and White House from 2016-18, they refused to pass any kind of infrastructure act, despite that being one of the cornerstones of the Trump campaign. The only thing they really did was pass a tax cut for the wealthiest Americans that raised taxes in the middle class and increased the deficit.
Now that you mention it, what ever happened to infrastructure week that Trump promised back in 2017?
Same thing that happened with every Trump promise that would have made positive social change, they were lies.
😂 Here in Australia I’m what you’d consider left leaning. I’m all for gay marriage, equal rights, anti-war, and so on. I’ve literally never voted “far right” or “conservative”. Not once in my 20+ years of voting.
But sure, pretend that the democrats aren’t left wing because….reasons.
Btw the second you accuse others of being brainwashed just because you disagree with them, you’re the extreme one in the conversation.
I'm just curious - would you have been in favor of cutting aid to Ukraine? If so, this is the best confirmation of horseshoe theory I've ever seen.
I didn't call you conservative
I don't believe as single word you said in your first paragraph
Go fuck yourself tankie.
Tens of thousands of taxes from any individual or family does not go towards the war supplies being sent to Ukraine. Unless you're a multimillionaire - which you are not.
If Republicans gain control of the US government I doubt they’ll stop sending weapons to Ukraine. Their ties with US weapons manufacturers run too deep. They’ll just pretend they supported Ukraine all along.
That imo is very different from the left who sees arms shipments just leading to more death and destruction than would occur otherwise.
So the republicans will keep sending guns, while the democrats are the ones that are already sending all the guns and money, yet the left are against it because it leads to death and destruction? What?
I’m not sure what’s confusing about this. Republicans don’t stand for anything. Why would you believe them when in comes to Ukraine? They’re just lying in order to score political points and differentiate themselves from democrats.
The left on the other hand is principled regardless of whether or not you agree with their rationale. It’s not like any leftists wants more death and destruction. They just think that ending weapons shipments is more likely to reduce the chaos and suffering.
Hahaha oh boy, seems this “sub” Or whatever they’re called is too far gone already. “Republicans stand for nothing at all, unlike the noble democrats who stand for good values and the peoples interests” 😂
Again though - if democrats want to end weapon shipments, remind me why they’re funneling hundreds of billions of dollars, along with weapons and tanks, to Ukraine?
Democrats aren’t leftists. I never said they wanted to end weapons shipments.
Kinda? I mean at least by European standards Democrats are kinda conservative. Not necessarily right wing, but also not left.
A government that intervenes to stop a strike on the side of a monopoly corporation because the workers are vital to the economy is not left wing. Rainbow corporatocracy is still corporatocracy and your attempt to erase 3/4ths of the political spectrum by charwcterizing neoliberalism as "left" is laughable.
send "all the money"? That alone tells me you have no understanding of American aid to Ukraine, both in scale and in nature. It's neither "all" nor is it "money" - the Americans sent old military hardware for the most part, and the monetary value is barely a drop in the bucket compared just to their yearly military expenditure that they'd spend regardless. Actual monetary support is much more of a EU thing anyways.
But sure keep whining about centre-right policies of the USA and the EU, calling them "far-left". Actual far-left people tend to not supportive of sending aid to Ukraine.
We're sending old military equipment to Ukraine, and that equipment was specifically made in case we have to fight Russia one day. So it's pretty much being used for its original intent.
So because we already waste tons of money, it's wrong to want to stop wasting money?
It's kind of crazy to see someone who clearly loves their own voice, but clearly doesn't understand what the fuck they're talking about.
Back to the kiddie pool, Nazi.
Please follow rule 3
You're... Probably right. Glad you guys are on top of this.
Have you ever been to either city? Because that is not in any way a fair description. Anyway, don't people like you usually use Chicago for this sort of aspersion?
Nah, that's for when they want to mix some anti-black racist dogwhistling in, too.
It's common Republican lingo to refer to California, and anywhere wherein, as a "hellhole".
Despite never having set foot in California, or they'd realize how much of a shithole the place they live in is in comparison.
People are literally just walking out of stores with stolen goods at will. People are doing drugs on the streets out in the open. People are breaking into cars in broad daylight.
Are these things not happening despite all the video evidence and new articles about it happening?
Got it. You've never actually been there. Maybe don't base all the things you know about a city from YouTube videos.
Go look at where and how that money is being spent. I think you will find that the vast majority of it isn't leaving America. American businesses who already do business with the American government will do a little bit more, sending consumables and other assets to Ukraine. From an economic standpoint this is little different than a 10% increase in the American military budget, with the bonus of no expectation that it will be the new baseline going forward.
Is that supposed to be a selling point?
No, just pointing out that even though the military support is going to Ukraine, the economic benefits are still primarily American, which belies the excuse for why they don't want to support Ukraine.
If you consider further bloating military spending to be a benefit, sure
Reread my original comment. And this is probably the last thing you want to cut. Leaving allies twisting in the wind when you pushed for nuclear deproliferation with the assurance you would help protect them from their enemies (Russia in particular) will cost America far more that $100 billion.
Do elaborate on how some backwater eastern Europe shithole would cost us hundreds of billions as a inept paper tiger wastes resources on it.
As a general rule, when governments make deals with other countries and don't do what they say, it tends to sour their negotiations with other countries. And that backwater country is the seventh largest exporter worldwide of a staple crop (it used to sell more before a certain war started). Now, America probably doesn't import much wheat from Ukraine, but there's a funny thing about globally traded commodities...
And I care if a bunch of eurotrash wants to leave the table for negotiation? Good riddance.
A 10% increase on the biggest part of your budget by far is a ridiculous increase.
Giving a trillion dollars to businesses with no oversight is also a ridiculous expendititure, but also 10 times more than this and happily supported by the Republicans. Or the tens of trillions spent in the Middle East over the last couple decades. This relatively minor expense is cheap political good will with a massive ROI.
That's not funding a proxy war though. Kinda different.
Sometimes the only options are war or capitulation. I guess if Ukraine had just stopped...existing...next to Russia this could have all been avoided. How foolish of them.
Those aren't the options available to America though. America wouldn't be "capitulating" by not sending $100bil along with weapons and military vehicles to ukraine.