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Trump Shares Poll Result Predicting 'Revenge' And 'Dictatorship' As Top Priorities
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The Allies forced the German civilians to dig graves for the concentration camps so they could see the inhumanity their complacency and tacit approval caused. I've never appreciated my history classes more and I'm terribly sorry for the schools and children that are performing historical revisionism to well documented events.
Also, I went to the gatewaypundit site TFG linked to and read some comments. One commenter suggesting someone who disagreed commit suicide (and of course they knew how to bypass filters, so it's a tactic they use often). Folks are still suggesting the election was stolen then with the same breath saying to circle the ballot processing centers and not let vans through. The cognitive dissonance for these self-titled "critical thinkers" is beyond scary.
Edit: wanted to fact check my memory, here's a photo.
And, the overwhelmingly dominant reaction the German civilians had in the destruction that was the aftermath of the war, was self-pity and resentment towards their enemies ("how could the allies be so cruel to us, we didn't do anything"). In fairness, their conditions were very hard (starvation, disease, prostitution, desperation) but there was effectively no recognition at all of any responsibility on the German side for what was "happening to them". Germany 1945 goes into a lot of the harrowing details and the German people's reaction to them.
TL;DR get ready for the Trump rank-and-file to never acknowledge responsibility for anything, no matter how badly it plays out.
At my US high school we spent two days in mandatory silence walking around the classroom viewing these types of Holocaust pictures and reading descriptions of the images.
We spent the rest of the lesson arc discussing and unpacking the atrocities and horror of radicalization, hatred, ignorance, and war as a group. It was a surreal experience.
We had a similar experience in US history with slavery and the Civil Rights movement.
How did they cover the Trail of Tears or the Red Cloud War?
My town was named after a Native American Chief so it had a heavy influence on some of the lessons including the whole inhumane way we ruthlessly pursued the Manifest Destiny mentality *as a country, not my town in particular.
One of my grandfather's was Red Cloud. I have lost count of how many times I have asked people, almost always when they are talking about US History, if they know who he was and they don't.
Red Cloud was the only native chief/general to combine multiple tribes into an army. He is also the only guy to force the US Army to surrender.
Dude was probably one of the most bad ass warriors to ever be born in the Americas but rarely do people know who he is. They know Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse but rarely do they know Red Cloud.
I didn’t know about this. Thanks for informing me!
That's an incredible lineage to say the least. Keep spreading the history that so often goes unacknowledged. It gets suppressed, rewritten, and glossed over all too often.
Do you have have any family memories from your grandfather from that time?
My mother was the first one born outside of the traditional territory or reservation. My older cousins tell stories about how their grandmother (my mother's grandmother) was a child during that age. She was on her mother's back when they went looking for survivors of the Wounded Knee massacre. How she remembers sitting on Red Cloud's lap and making him laugh.
There's much more painful stuff so those good stories are like medicine. Reminders that even in darkness there's a little light.
Red Cloud would be five generations away from me.
I'm so happy you replied. This has been a really great follow-up. I'll definitely share your story whenever I can. There's always a little bit of light out there.
It's absolutely tragic that, at the rate we're going, when the final survivors die off the denialists are going to take over. Knowledge of what happened is already poor today, in a couple decades it's gonna be bad. I wish we would push back against the ignorance more but it seems it requires a huge amount of effort.
Important point here is the Allies didn't select for German civilians who supported the Nazis, they ALL shared blame for it even if they were just doing what they could to survive under the circumstances. Keep that in mind if you're a Democrat voter and think you've "done your duty" or whatever. Saying you hate Trump online doesn't matter for anything and the only Germans who had any respect after WW2 likely died in the resistance or in camps. So the moral posturing within the very political system that's causing this by which you asset superiority because you are anti-Trump, at the end of the day it has zero significance if it doesn't work. Given Trump's polling numbers I wouldn't be so sure of my effectiveness if I were a US Democrat supporter right now and feel like I had no basis to assert that "I'm on the good side."
Fortunately for us there is a very clear geographic split between where most Trump supporters live vs where most of the rest of us live. Demographers can and have focused it down to the postal code level, which is just to say that it's far more granular than simply red vs blue states.
Not really that simple, the fact that the 13% Obama-Trump voters likely secured his victory is one major complication with these typical "MAGA yokel" interpretations of who Trump's supporters are. Also the alt-right people who supported Trump in 2016 don't necessarily support him personally anymore but will still not be voting Democrat, mostly because he governed like a milquetoast Republican and wasn't the anti-establishment personality they wanted. Similar to Obama actually, at the end of the day he was an American president and did what they do. The idea there are strong racial lines (as if that was a valid identifier for people anyway) is also dubious as many voters in the "hispanic" category are strong supporters of Trump, his number of black supporters isn't insignificant either.
This also misses the point that Democrat supporters are part of the same political system by which MAGA exists in, it's all one economic consensus that is leading to this, so everyone would be blamed for acting within this system and they would deserve it. At least in this hypothetical Nazi Germany endgame fantasy.