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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Question to American comrades: How are the genocides of native Americans and ~~Lebensraum~~ manifest destiny being taught in American schools? What does the average American know?

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 2 years ago

I was unequivocally taught that it happened, white colonists were responsible, and that it was genocide. It came up a few times over the years in age-appropriate lessons (they don't go into detail when teaching third graders ofc) and every time the narrative was about the same.

HOWEVER our classes never dwelled on it much. It was taught with as much gravitas as any other random lesson, i.e. I was bombarded with a litany of names and dates to memorize for a standardized test which I promptly forgot in order to prepare for the next one, and the next one, and the next one...

My classes didn't distinguish between the indigenous peoples and I never learned about the native tribes that belong to my area. My teachers taught only what colonizers did to them, not who they were and are. And crucially, I was taught that this was all history and not that it is an ongoing genocide. And that the colonizers of the past are, somehow, disconnected from our government of the present.

Also we never made a connection between the Nazis and the colonists, or talked about class and capitalism at all, really.

[–] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago

I remember being taught that it was just their desire to expand to the Pacific Ocean, they believed it was their god given destiny. Big focus on that. I don't recall a lot of all of emphasis on how it impacted the natives.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

I seem to remember getting a very centrist version of the Native American Genocide. Crimes committed against the Native Americans by colonists were skimmed over in brief, settlement of land was described as a net positive because the GDP went up and railroads got built, there was a little bit of time spent on the Indian Removal Act and the Trail of Tears, and then it was on to talking about the Mexican-American War and Native Americans never got mentioned again after that.

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

every year in elementary school we watched some movies about how the pilgrims and Indians were friends and every year I would get in trouble for screaming "AND THEN THEY MURDERED THEM ALL". teachers would get mad and say that it was both sides fault. and then we hit middle school and got the full story, but teachers would both sides it. Also most of my peers one year believed that the genocide of the native Americans was good, needed to happen, and that they would do it again. then i went to a super libby highschool and learned even more.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

every year I would get in trouble for screaming "AND THEN THEY MURDERED THEM ALL"

Holy fucking based kim-salute

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yeah I had a lot of based moments as a kid, I would like to thank tim and moby for my political education. it sucks republicans are cutting kids access to it. Tim and moby say trans rights

[–] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

They still bothsided communjsm :( oh well, it's not like they could've openly advocated for communism or anything.

[–] NotErisma@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My school rushed all the events of US history, "manifest destiny" was no exception and was merely a brief footnote, though the trail of tears was mentioned.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I learned Christopher Columbus would chop the hands off of indians that didn't follow orders, and we wiped out 95% plus of their population

But I went to school in California. Unfortunately, other states can teach their version of history

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I got that bad things happened but like, you know it doesn't do to dwell on it. I got the positiveist version of all that.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

I was taught in Jersey and Florida during the 80's and then 90"s, and manifest destiny was taught as a good thing. Anything resembling truth I got out schooling came from subversive teachers, not the official school curriculum. It wasn't till I read Zinn and Lowen that I learned how badly I was lied to.

[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

I think it's common knowledge that the settlers stole the land and killed all of the native Americans. In many cities that are on historically important tribal grounds, meetings and events are started with an acknowledgment of how the land was stolen from those people.

There was a recent lawsuit trying to return all Oklahoma stolen land to those tribes. It is very much in American consciousness but it is so far in the past no one takes responsibility.