this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2023
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You're witnessing us after we've gone through countless internal debates and purges, some of which will always be legendary. We had a problem with transphobes at the start, they're all gone. We had a really bizarre fight for about a week over whether or not cats should be allowed outside.
My favorite of ours was the weirdly intense debate over if it's ok to stack rocks next to or inside of a river.
There was also BMF, one of the strangest people to ever live. My personal favorite was @LiberalSocialist@hexbear.net, who was the most contradictory poster we had. You'd think LiberalSocialist was an elaborate Andy Kaufman level bit of someone pretending to be an annoying liberal, but I think it's always been unclear whether it was a gimmick or not.
Something that's crucial for the rock stacking: On the one side was a hydrologist with sources and calm and patient reasoning explaining how that, yes while climate change and ecoside is a result of this capitalist system and as such there is no individual solutions to it, in this instance your individual actions are actually very harmful, so please don't stack rocks. It's not just a tiny thing, it's actually very harmful, so please don't stack rocks.
On the other side was a mix of users going either "yeah, but I just feel like it isn't an issue" and users going "fuck you I'm gonna stack rocks anyway" as if rock-stacking was their livelyhood and users trying to rules-lawyer the thing like "what if it isn't a running stream? What if I'm in a desert? What if it's volcanic rocks?" The reaction was wildly outsized, but apparently hexbear has a large rock-stacking userbase.
Edit: found the original thread https://hexbear.net/post/249555?scrollToComments=false
Critical stage "let people enjoy things" ideology, right there, where it's so spiteful against even the slightest suggestion of behavior improvement that rock stacking becomes a weird contrarian mandate to stick it to the scolds.
We can always bring back "are bidets bourgeois?"
Remember the "are washing machines bourgeois decadence" swiftly followed by the "are washing machines racist" struggle sessions?
I love this site.
the washing machine has changed the world more than the internet
You do and you can bet your dirty, disgusting arsehole we're defederating too.
You can just hop in the shower after you take a shit
i missed the beginning of the 'batteries and water and eels' thing and i still don't understand what that was about
At one point google apparently suggested a good way to dispose of your used car batteries was to dump them in the ocean
ohhhh lol thank you! now i finally know
It's always a good and fun activity to dispose of car batteries in the ocean.
ofc cat should be allowed outside what the hell 🤔
There are ecological problems. Killing birds and things. They've caused several species-extinctions in Australia iirc, where they are not native.
You can love cats being outside or you can love wildlife but you can't love both.
Here are the sides:
Side fuck outdoor cats: Cats the way we humans are currently treating them are an ecological disaster responsible for countless species dying out, outdoor cats also statistically die much earlier, and there's no reason to keep your cat outside.
Side outdoor cats: wtf why are you being so fucking weird about cats
cat outside like it has always been: voice of reason
Hey why are we in a mass extinction event where'd that come from.
Cats?
You're stating a unfactual fantasy.
Cats are domesticated pets that have lived with humans for thousands of years. At this point they aren't really native to any specific region anymore, and most certainly not in the population numbers they have now. They are natural predators with prey that has few defenses against them. Pretending there's anything "natural" about cats is silly.
Anyone who harbors and abets a KKKat while allowing it outside to engage in what can, by any reasonable standard, only be described as a campaign of stochastic terrorism against the indigenous bird population is a social chauvanist and any org that refuses to purge them is revisionist.
Read Lenin.
cats are the hungry purrrletariat
I take it back, instead of Lenin, read Settlers: the Mythology of the Feline Proletariat
ahaha reveals the author’s bias against working-class unity and plays into the hands of the ruling class
edit: let's also remember that 👏 all 👏 dogs 👏 are 👏 fascists 👏
Posting the man responsible for the massacre of countless innocent sparrows while defending outdoor cats is telling.
Yet even then, as you can see, all of those cats are clearly indoor cats. Outdoor cats were too extreme even for Mao.
he was feral enough against landlords, and what he really cared about was freedom
But yeah jokes aside there are reasonable concerns but it got blown out of proportion so now we like to joke about it as an example of splitting over trivial disagreements. Strays have a bigger impact than domestic ones anyway so spaying/neutering is what's really important
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On a harness or in an enclosed space that theybwon't escape, sure.
Y’all mfs are missing a very important point in the outside cat debate:
If you live up in the woods at the end of a dirt road you need a cat to keep the vermin out and a small mowed perimeter to keep critters from gettin in your crawlspaces.
Or: it’s okay when I do it.
More like a small meowed perimeter