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https://x.com/HOTWisconsin/status/1952418431816351973 video here. he's always been soft on the NYPD but yesterday ramped it up. it's not "fatalistic doomerism" to point out that the Democrats are a Nazi party actively committing genocide and anyone who thinks that project is worth "working within" is either compromised or stupid.
Seriously hating the take on this website right now that if anyone says anything slightly critical of him that we are doomers or wreckers or whatever the fuck. Does the concept of critical support just fly out the window? Do people not see that being so rigid and resorting to fucking name calling amounts to similar behavior of the blue MAGA crowd? Were they even old enough to vote in the 2020 elections and actually remember what the vibe was like for AOC and Bernie? Do they think us groaning on this website will influence votes? Idk.
I think amplifying a right wing bot account pushing values exactly opposite to the ones purported in the meme, just to make your own point is more distasteful than some instance of made up bullshit about Mamdani
I think that in itself is a very fair criticism, but my bone to pick extends beyond this post
That’s fair. I’m glad you’re here because you make valid points and part of what makes hex good.
people would probably have more measured responses if wankers weren't all
over literally every single thing the guy does that they disagree with
still waiting to see what he does after the election because giving a shit before then is a waste of time lol
In the last struggle session I saw a lot of insults being hurled and gnashing of teeth towards skeptical people who were replying pretty respectfully. And since the very beginning when he won the primary, perhaps even before that, this intense defensiveness was present even though no one was really criticizing the guy until he started capitulating. So nah, its not about that IMO.
Idk why people need to take it as a personal attack and defend him for every shitty concession he makes, that's Democrat behavior. Until this guy came up it seems like Mamdani stans were on here were handing the
out to everyone who is to the right of them as well, but now suddenly they just go feral. What were these people's rhetoric towards police before Mamdani came on the scene? It just really really feels like a lot of people are only willing to see what he is doing 54D chess instead of, idk, maintaining hope but also acknowledging that some of what he's doing now is sus.
I think I feel safe to say that most of us skeptics, including myself, really want to see if he sticks to his guns when he wins and we hope he does. but it seems that people think that if you aren't 100% behind him, you're 100% against him and want him to lose which is fucking ridiculous. That's mostly what I take issue with, not the fuckin dude himself, it's peoples behaviors around him and throwing any critical beliefs about electoralism out the window.
sorry if I seem mad at you ratboy i'm not I'm mad at being called a liberal by OP
Nah it's all good, I use the Royal "you" all the time lol. I appreciate your clarification though
I see what you're saying even if I personally think that "we are doing the cops work for them" is a bit of a reach.
Yeah he's not in office, but I kinda feel like all politicians and candidates should be held to task every step of the way. If we don't, then what happens? People only hoot and holler with joy and support him no matter what until he's elected, and then recognizing that hes gotten nothing but support even as he backtracks publicly, wouldnt it make sense for him to think that the softening up strategy is how he should keep moving since there was no criticism of it before? I personally would be more vocal about him needing to earn my vote and stick to his principals instead of just forgoing my vote altogether if I did hear criticisms like these.
I have also seen the argument that if he sticks to his guns and doesn't backpedal publicly to the establishment that that would hurt his chances. But what do they even have to do with that? It's the people that are voting, why give so much power to wall street or whatever the fuck. If people were gonna be bought off they would have already, and I really doubt that his popularity has surged due to his rubbing elbows with Blackrock and complimenting the police.
Also I agree with you about this post in particular, that not every single little thing should be scrutinized so heavily but I think it's pretty difficult not to, especially with the whole Bernie Sanders thing back in the day, combined with just.... The history of politics in general
my issue is I saw the dude win the primary, saw the bourgeoisie poop their pants over it in a very genuine seeming way, saw them try and fail to smear the guy for months, so, idk, with that as the backdrop it seems to me like this is a very obvious and apparently quite successful attempt to bleed his actual leftist support by making him out to be a sell-out
the election isn't even over, I don't think it helps anything remotely resembling left wing politics to help our enemies by leaping to be critical of him when, again, the election isn't even fucking over. Let's say everyone suddenly agrees with OP and sees him as a sellout, whatever support he has collapses, and the idfk Cuomo or Silwa or Adams wins. good job, that's all this criticism really helped do!
some people might take this as me being 100% defending him or whatever but my position is "idk maybe shut up about him until the election is over, see what he actually does as mayor instead of what he does to get elected, since it doesn't really fucking matter until then"
like christ do you honestly think it's a good thing for people to literally, literally in the case of OP, say that he's 100% sold out "because he's seen standing next to elizabeth warren?" that's fucking absurd and what really gets me is it's coming from a crowd whose opinion towards electoral politics is "it's all fucking useless anyway." I don't need the "electoralism is useless" crowd to tell me out of one side of their mouth that voting is pointless, then out of the other that this guy is a sleeper agent here to steal our votes for the Democrats
"doomerism" is just reasonable pessimism about electoralism within a dying empire
I agree, but I think it is useful to balance it with hope, and I think a lot of us have that revolutionary optimism along with hopelessness whether we believe in electoralism or not.
pessimism of the intellect optimism of the will
exactly, the guy is going to win anyway and becoming the mayor, he doesn't need your support, you're a new york citizen and you're finally getting basic rights? Congratulations, but don't forget the rest of the world.
Yeah I really cannot see Cuomo pulling a victory. If you count the votes for the other progressive candidates towards him, he won overwhelmingly. And he even had pacts with one or two candidates to endorse eachother and encourage their voters to go for the other if one lost or won the primary. The only way he would lose, IMO, is if he keeps capitulating to the Dems. It doesn't matter what his actual policies are, the public is not going to dig into all of that (unfortunately). They want stump speeches, and what he was giving is what won everyone over. If he keeps backtracking publicly in order for his secret Maoist plan to come to fruition, people will not give a shit about that strategy. People vote for Trump because he's a brand, he's "funny", he is a bully and he shakes shit up, not really because they understand his real policies or intention at all. Americans want sensationalism.
I don't live in NYC. If I did, I would vote for him, it would be very interesting to see how it all plays out and I'd be overjoyed if he made big changes. But I think for some folks they are being a bit myopic right now which is understandable, but like you said, there are many things to which we still need to pay attention to, and he won't be the solution to things globally. I hope that people won't feel like they can rest of their laurels if he does get elected
Sorry that was way longer of a comment than I expected.