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Guy is just asking for chicken carbonara with no bacon and the server keeps telling him it isn't possible.

Then this lady gets super incensed and starts going off calling everyone that disagrees with her "medigan" which is apparently a derogatory term used by Italian Americans to insult people they think have "lost touch with their Italian heritage"

The comments and replies are chefs-kiss

CW obviously discussions of and images of meat https://xcancel.com/sandinistaoliva/status/1952374193275756572

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[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Reminder that most of these "traditional" Italian dishes were invented less than 100 years ago. Spaghetti carbonara was first made in 1944 with American Army rations of bacon and powdered eggs.

[–] FreeRangeKitties@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Reminder that Italy didn't even have fuckin tomatoes until europe did colonialism

Can you imagine that?

So much of western cvltvre is a modern lie.

While we're on the topic of tomatoes, fuck cherry tomatoes and fuck Israel for ruining backyard gardens with their cursed pollen that makes tiny fruit. They did not create cherry tomatoes but they did teach them how to be prolific invaders, apparently. settler

I emoji searched for lysenko but settler came up which worked out in the end

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sichuan didn't have chillies either. Imagine that...

[–] FreeRangeKitties@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

I agree that's a little bit of a mindblower, but idk, maybe it's because I learned as a 白左 (/s) but I feel like people in China actually do know that.

I think in general people in China know their actual history more than people in the west. But I haven't actually been to China so I only see it from the lens of people who are able to talk to foreigners who are bad at Mandarin

And also I know that wasn't the point and I'm not going to pretend they were saints either but I still should point out, China wasn't the one going around stealing land, they got it through trade. And just like today we're not supposed to consider who China is trading with to be bad. Trade happens in a vacuum and builds the productive forces so it is always good. Mmhm.

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You'll get no argument from me, cherry tomatoes are disgusting little shits that are always trying to evade my fork.

Also, Italy wasn't fully unified until 1871, so trying to codify a singular Italian culture is almost as recent and silly a concept as the invention of Israeli culture.

[–] FreeRangeKitties@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

silly a concept as the invention of Israeli culture.

lol I was gonna say that, but I was like nah the Italians may be fascist but I don't wanna call them Israeli, that's too much of an insult!

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

lmao the comments on that article are another goldmine:

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

lmao imagine being proud of your country freedom-hater

It's especially rich coming from someone called "Diogenes heir," since Diogenes once said "I am not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world."

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

imagine being proud of your country

palestine-heart

ok on second thought nvm maybe nationalism can be good sometimes

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

I'd like to think that is a joke, but white nationalists do get very weird about which flavour of white bread founded all these ancient slave empires.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

Kind of, although there's also a factor of Americans claiming to have a larger role in something they were a minor player in.

Carbonara was "invented" in the 40's, but it's mostly just adding egg to a pre-existing dish called pasta alla gricia which traces back to Papal Rome

Pasta alla gricia is pecorino romano, guanciale and black pepper

Pasta alla carbonara is pecorino romano, guanciale (or bacon), black pepper and egg.

American GIs and their bacon and eggs + Italian cooks already making a dish with pepper, pork and cheese = Carbonara. Cream was added later stateside.

So yeah, while it's true that the word "carbonara" didn't exist in any cookbooks prior to WWII and the dish as we know it wouldn't exist/be well known if it weren't for WWII, it's not something conjured out of thin air