You all are too intellectual and not approachable for the average working person. I am not a great reader and honestly I couldn't get through "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" because the book was too hard to read. Ditto for Capital. How do you expect to grow a movement when you want to force people to read books that are way above the average person's intelligence? Most of this country reads at a 5th or 8th grade level.

So yeah, if I am putting theory into more simple terms it's because my brain automatically does that to help me personally understand things. We need to do more of that. Speak plainly and not like a Wikipedia article.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I wrote two iterations of this but decided to do this in an entertaining format.

You all are too intellectual and not approachable for the average working person

The average working person doesn't puruse niche leftist alt tech internet forums that have a Marxist Leninists bent, frequently uses Maoist Standard English, and posts pics of pigs shitting on their balls.

This point need not apply because of course I don't fucking do theory analysis irl when trying to agitate You don't need the books to know the system wants to fuck you.

How do you expect to grow a movement when you want to force people to read books that are way above the average person's intelligence?

See above, you don't.

I am not a great reader and honestly I couldn't get through "Pedagogy of the Oppressed" because the book was too hard to read. Ditto for Capital. Also, slap anyone you see that tries to force the masses to read Capital please.

Okay but you said theory needs to be approached with a critical lens. Yes. Correct. This doesn't prove the merits of electoralism at all. All that I have seen in the form of support(?) is that theory is old.

You're framing it as against theory when nothing you said is necessarily so which is the core of my point. Some of that old theory arguably supports your stance, which is what I've seen Cyborg argue with. Would I be valid in decrying any use of electoralism as an outdated tool because the theory that supports it is old?

Also I have terrible internet rn so if you cover something I said here somewhere else feel free to link it instead of rewriting.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing in favor of electoralism! I'm arguing against this attitude that read to me as "Zohran isn't perfect so fuck him he is terrible let's have 5 threads tearing him apart"

That's bullshit AND bad tactics no matter what you believe.

It comes off as smug "know-it-all" speak I hear on the internet everywhere, especially when it comes to Politics. No one is good enough and obviously only your way is the right way so how dare this random in NYC does something?!?

I want constructive criticism and I'm here because this is a better place to post than reddit-logo .

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

I was being a bit lazy with my use of electoralism, I primarily meant in favor of it as a tool. I think there are times where certain tools are more and less effective so meant electoralism as an effective tool for the moment but I digress.

And yeah you have a lot of smug internet leftism here too but frankly that's part of online based discourse.

Frankly I don't pay too much mind to those decrying him as 1. They likely aren't in NYC, 2. Dunking on him on hexbear has super little reach, 3. Hexbear seems to have generalized dunk culture in some of its roots so it's mostly frustration and vibes. I don't think many here would like many of the figures generally accepted here as progressive forces if they had to live in the same context.