Hey, no one is stopping you and this is broadly internet debates and forum posting. If you think electoralism is the way you're wasting breath trying to convince the hardliners here.

Though I do think it is a bit disingenuous to pretend everything is just blind nose-holding; I've seen legitimate grievances regarding the politicking and moderation regarding Israel.

Also blindly implying that the theory may be wrong, particularly because of its age, isn't particularly strong rhetoric when the issues people have with the electorist methodology is exactly why they failed in progressing via that route in previous AES attempts or became Socdem states at best. As well as fact that the same rhetoric was also used for defending AOC and Bernie.

I'm not even saying you're wrong per-se, but it's the same whining as the so called purity testers. If you have issues with it I don't see a point in engaging this way; analysis into why current conditions may better favor a focus on electoralism, or just laughing and turning off the screen, would be preferable no?

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago

I hear you. Sometimes I post as a way to vent. There's a lot of negativity and concern posting over Zohran and I don't think it's productive.

I'm not 100% for or against electoralism. I believe electoralism, just like other tactics, is a tool that makes sense to use based on the material conditions and the political climate of the area. In some places it can work, and I'm seeing that with the surge is DSA membership, renewed talks for a "dirty break" from the Democrats, talk of DSA forming a separate party! There's also times and places where this is NOT the right tactic and focusing on something like growing a community garden or organizing a Starbucks is a much better use of comrades' time.

What would be a better way to approach Zohran for the non-electoralists: How can we as activists work with this material situation? How does this change our talking points? How do we agitate people beyond just voting? What can we do to make sure Mayor Zohran keeps his promises? How do we fight back and pressure the business class and the people, cops, etc who we know will push back against his policies? How do we continue to push public sentiment so that the next Zohran doesn't feel pressured to disavow "globalized the intifada?"

Less criticism, more adaptation & tactics please.