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That's what I've been saying. You will not create meaningful change from the inside and electoralism is a fuck.
It's
or Hitler.
If electoralism was viable in Czarist Russia, it's viable now
It's a tool, it can work for us (Zohran) or against us (Bernie/Sander)
The marxist strategy for electoralist entryism, was to form our own working class parties and use the electoral pulpit to spread socialist ideas.
It never succeeded in actually electing candidates and turning any state based on bourgeios parliamentarism, into a socialist one, in any country.
Allende came closest to actually reform into socialism and look, what they did to him.
what makes me mad is that zohran is honestly pretty close to that, sanders or AOC never said anything close to "seizing the means of production", makes his moves towards moderation much more frustrating
He is apart of the DSA more than he's apart of the DNC. The DSA is flawed, but it's definitely an organization sitting in the ring, waiting for a chance to take power.
The Marxist Leninist strategy is to elect socdems to power WHO WE CAN OVERTHROW
We need soft liberals in power WHO HESITATE at the crucial moment the socialists strike, liberals who are allergic to exercising power and violence, who bend the knee to growing worker power and don't realize the danger they're in until it too late
That is when socialism explodes onto the national stage
In marxism electoralism is a strategy of maneuvers and positioning, not transformation or "evolution" like the old and new socdems claim
this didnt work in germany, SPD was very fucking willing to use the freikorps to crush the communists
Because German socialists capitulated to the SPD and not the other way around, which allowed liberals who were not allergic to violence to take power
The Germans mistook the SPD for a transformative workers party instead of something that had to be maneuvered into place and supplanted
Ironically the SPD flipped the script on the socialists and out-maneuvered them to their doom
There are always more factors at play than elections when big shake ups happen in any government. It's like how democrats love taking credit for grassroots leftism just because they perceived themselves to be "the left" and can't recognize that others are farther to the left than Bernie sanders.
They can only get away with it becuase the American left is fragmented and underground, it can't emerge above ground to challenge the dems until it locks down the electoral game with a third party, the left can't develop a third party if it's most radical wing refuses to take electoralism seriously
Hard to take something seriously when it just changes the rules so we can't win
The point isn't always about winning, the point is to build an army and a base of support, stolen elections in that context makes our job easier
I can agree with that, and other points you made in this thread. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what my feelings on mamdani are because I can't vote for him anyway.