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Blaming people for not voting for shit candidates isn’t going to accomplish what you’re hoping for, just saying.
Yeah, people deserve to vote for a party they actually support.
I'm quite glad where I live has an MMP system, and there is likely to be a party that represents most views.
Elections are a compromise. Democracy by nature is compromise. FPTP sucks, but it's the system we had, so you either have to work with it, or burn shit, and not nearly enough nonvoters or 3rd party voters are out here burning enough shit to convince me that they are actually against the system. So in reality they were just naive idealists who couldn't stomach voting for the best viable candidate, and saddled the rest of us with that orange shit-stain instead.
But your candidtaes are voted for in a primary. If you want better candidates they need people like you to organise and put in the work to get them on the ballot in the first place.
This election cycle there was no "getting your candidate on the ballot" though. No for president anyway.
That’s what I’m saying! We need people to care more about the quality of our candidates. But the DNC kicks out anyone who is “scary socialist”. Do I think they can’t change? No. And I’m not even a non-voter btw. I’m just saying, to get through to these people, blaming them for the outcome isn’t going to get them to vote blue.
Will asspatting them for the outcome get them to vote blue?
The broader issue is to establish purity politics as morally and socially unacceptable rather than "Just politics :)" that you look over to invite people to the barbeque in spite of.
"I acted in favor of your murder!" shouldn't be acceptable just because the person who did it claims to wear a coat of red paint.
I'm curious - what do you think I'm trying to accomplish?
There’s some good in what you’re doing, which is creating awareness to the issue of what’s going on currently. But this blaming of a very small group of people, using hindsight mind you, isn’t helping us get any further from fascism.
There's no good in what OP is doing. They're a CIA asset doing anti-left propaganda and scapegoating.
Honestly, you seem like a right-wing agitator trying to foment division among the left.
That is exactly what OP is doing. Likely on a CIA or NSA payroll. Or whatever three letter agency pays online trolls and propagandists.
This is like the fifth time today you've accused someone of that.
Actually, from my understanding, they want the same thing as before. For the party to LISTEN TO ITS CONSTITUENTS RATHER THAN DONORS. It's a shockingly simple proposal that, if implemented before the election, could have prevented this situation.
By not voting in the general, rather than running as or supporting progressive alternatives in primaries, you just taught the party the people are fascist
"please stop supporting Israel murdering children in Gaza" "no" "Ok we're not voting for you" The people are fascist
Shut the fuck up
There literally weren't primaries you moron, they annotined Harris
That's wouldn't be unusual if Biden was incapacitated for any other reaaon
How do you know the lesson Dems learn will be what you want, and not "oh I guess the people are fascists"
The assumption here is the left is so powerful that according to PugJesus we single handedly cost the democrats the election. Yet curious the Democratic party consistently shows it will make no effort to appeal to this large powerful group to get elected.
It's almost like the left isn't the problem, and I'd wager a majority did still vote for Harris like me.
What actually got Trump elected was the independents and morons who aren't into politics at all and just vibe voted for Trump. How do I know? I actually talk to people who voted for Trump and many see they were duped by the vibes and brocasts.
Not to mention the large scale effort on the right to get people kicked off the ballots among many other voter suppression tactics.
But let's not focus on any of that, let's lefty bash and cause more infighting, that seems like a great idea!