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If You're Still Supporting Israel In 2025, There's Something Wrong With You As A Person
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Not gonna lie, I feel like 2025 is way too generous. The only reason so many people are suddenly opposing Israel is because the overturn window has shifted and it is no longer popular to support Israel.
USA and their puppets murdered millions directly and dozens, perhaps hundreds of millions indirectly since WW2. But they also control the biggest propaganda apparatus in history which specialty is manufacturing consent for all those atrocities. The case of current phase of Palestinian genocide is the first example the apparatus failed, and it can be felt since it still hold for all other atrocities perpetrated by US.
Hell, even in this thread in generally left leaning instance we still have people defending and relativising even this genocide and its direct perpetrators.
overton window is idealist bs "marketpalce of ideologies". Propaganda is only effective if there isnt explict in your face contradictions AND people are doing well materially.
Yes, censorship to the point of creating information bubble is the main method, and it can be really terrifyingly successful even in XXI century, just look at Poland, we are like this because to even hear that the alternatives exist, you need to dig the internet hard. People doing well materially, i don't think it's explicitly needed, or at least not in the timelapses counted even in decades. Yet again Poland is an example, 90's was a disaster of broken capitalist promises but to quell the unrest a traitorous succdems were instrumental.
imo i wouldnt say it’s about popularity and more about israel just being unable to really hide what they’re doing anymore. now its at the point where your average apolitical normie is seeing babies get their limbs blown off on their tiktok feed.
they had a lot more plausible deniability before their genocide was being live streamed.
as long as leftists have known about how fucked up israel is, your average truly “apolitical” person only knew the israel propaganda painted about it. now they see thats not true and thats a good thing
Or, were informed that it was just 'a religious war'.
'Normies' have been seeing babies limbs getting blown off since 2023. They simply chose to ignore it because the public sentiment opposed it. The average person is a literal NPC who will repeat whatever the media tells them even if the video footage gets shoved in front of their eyes. I've tried it.
Even now, if you ask them if Israel has a right to exist they will answer yes. Knowing that Israel is comparable with Nazi Germany. They would tell you that Nazi Germany has a right to exist if that is what the media told them.
i think that’s pretty pessimistic towards your average person
with how alienated capitalism keeps us all from our peers, its easy to forget that you and i are also just average people.
we’re half way into 2025. gaza videos didnt really become widespread in people’s feed til about a year ago. thats when apolitical people would have started seeing this so much. the amount of turn around in just that small period of time is a good thing and being pessimistic about it or writing people off as lemmings because they were tricked by propaganda designed specifically to trick people specifically like them isn’t helping anyone. that’s just you projecting your resentment towards people, and im not saying that as an insult. its easy to resent them. dont let your resent control you tho.
The average German was a Nazi. The average person is evil and supports genocide. It's as simple as that.
its really not as simple as that lol. you’re letting your disdain towards people personally steer your point of view.
your average person had no idea this was happening until recently and once they saw it they said it was bad.
its extremely easy to fall into your line of thinking when you don’t interact with your community and view yourself as an individual against other individuals. thats the framing capitalism has given you but its a false framing.
i can tell you for a fact; i live in a small town in georgia. 3 years ago nobody here knew shit about israel or palestinine. went to a protest recently FULL of support for palestine. people who have passively said positive things about israel to me who didnt know better have now said they had no idea what was happening over there. that they literally didnt even know what “gaza was” until recently
sadly thats where your average person is at.
they are not at “genocide is good”.
they’re at “i heard israel was good”. sadly thats more affective than it should be.
but to just write everybody off as wrong and having these horrible opinions is just anti leftwing tbh. you will never create any sort of left wing anything if this is how you view your fellow worker. not everybody is a leftist and in fact most people think we’re fucking crazy, for the same reason they used to think israel is good. “trusted sources” on tv told them so.
It is that simple. If you want a threat full of Nazi sympathizers from yesterday you are welcome to check this out https://lemmy.ml/post/33323757
this doesn't really support your point, posters in an explicitly political thread on a very niche social media platform aren't going to be representative of the average
Average person is going to have a worse opinion. These people know Israel is committing genocide and still support politicians being complicit in it.
Evidence number 2: https://lemmy.ml/post/33383344
except the people who oppose sending weapons to a genocide*
there are definitely people like that, but i doubt the average person is like this.
Observe Nazis on Lemmy: https://lemmy.ml/post/33383344
That thread was a tough read.
Or it might have something to do with the fact they are shooting starving unarmed civilians standing in line for bread, shooting starving unarmed civilians with fucking tanks
The what now?
The Overton window describes the range of ideas and policies considered acceptable by the mainstream population at a given time.
Basically "things you are allowed to say without people thinking you are weird."
100% biggest load of shit I've seen in years. The whole area is fucked, no one is much better than anyone else. Hamas would be doing the exact same back if they had the funding and technology, I mean their opening assault and declaration of war was a terrorist attack on public events and kidnappings. In response the Jews have become Hitler 2.0.
What a time line.
Resistance fighters do not have the same ambitions as Europeans (and traitorous dogs for Europe) pretending to be something they're not whom are actively desecrating land of, genociding and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.
Their goal is to reclaim land that rightfully belongs to them. If that has to happen with armed struggle, so be it, that's also well within their right.
Comparing European settler-colonizers, that desecrate indigenous land with their European nude beaches and cultural powerhouses like mosques or synagogues or churches into European clubhouses, to the people that own the land, that suffer and sustain unheard, unspeakable and untold monstrous crimes and have done so for at least a hundred years, is the most ghoulish, most disgusting, most vile and psychotic thing ever to do, psycholib.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3QhsiiCrU
The binary nature of social media. It made everyone forget the whole region is quagmire.
You're acting as if that's the natural state of things, rather than the direct ambition of the imperial powers.