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by Caitlin Johnstone
Jul 18, 2025

It’s 2025. Israeli soldiers are telling the Israeli press that they’re being ordered to massacre starving civilians trying to obtain food from aid centers. Countless doctors have been telling the world that Israeli snipers are routinely, deliberately shooting children in the head and chest throughout the Gaza Strip. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and all the leading genocide experts and human rights authorities are saying that a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza. The New York fucking Times just published an op-ed by a Zionist genocide scholar who’s finally admitting that it’s a genocide.

There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.

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[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

imo i wouldnt say it’s about popularity and more about israel just being unable to really hide what they’re doing anymore. now its at the point where your average apolitical normie is seeing babies get their limbs blown off on their tiktok feed.

they had a lot more plausible deniability before their genocide was being live streamed.

as long as leftists have known about how fucked up israel is, your average truly “apolitical” person only knew the israel propaganda painted about it. now they see thats not true and thats a good thing

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

your average truly “apolitical” person only knew the israel propaganda painted about it.

Or, were informed that it was just 'a religious war'.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

'Normies' have been seeing babies limbs getting blown off since 2023. They simply chose to ignore it because the public sentiment opposed it. The average person is a literal NPC who will repeat whatever the media tells them even if the video footage gets shoved in front of their eyes. I've tried it.

Even now, if you ask them if Israel has a right to exist they will answer yes. Knowing that Israel is comparable with Nazi Germany. They would tell you that Nazi Germany has a right to exist if that is what the media told them.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i think that’s pretty pessimistic towards your average person

with how alienated capitalism keeps us all from our peers, its easy to forget that you and i are also just average people.

we’re half way into 2025. gaza videos didnt really become widespread in people’s feed til about a year ago. thats when apolitical people would have started seeing this so much. the amount of turn around in just that small period of time is a good thing and being pessimistic about it or writing people off as lemmings because they were tricked by propaganda designed specifically to trick people specifically like them isn’t helping anyone. that’s just you projecting your resentment towards people, and im not saying that as an insult. its easy to resent them. dont let your resent control you tho.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The average German was a Nazi. The average person is evil and supports genocide. It's as simple as that.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

its really not as simple as that lol. you’re letting your disdain towards people personally steer your point of view.

your average person had no idea this was happening until recently and once they saw it they said it was bad.

its extremely easy to fall into your line of thinking when you don’t interact with your community and view yourself as an individual against other individuals. thats the framing capitalism has given you but its a false framing.

i can tell you for a fact; i live in a small town in georgia. 3 years ago nobody here knew shit about israel or palestinine. went to a protest recently FULL of support for palestine. people who have passively said positive things about israel to me who didnt know better have now said they had no idea what was happening over there. that they literally didnt even know what “gaza was” until recently

sadly thats where your average person is at.

they are not at “genocide is good”.

they’re at “i heard israel was good”. sadly thats more affective than it should be.

but to just write everybody off as wrong and having these horrible opinions is just anti leftwing tbh. you will never create any sort of left wing anything if this is how you view your fellow worker. not everybody is a leftist and in fact most people think we’re fucking crazy, for the same reason they used to think israel is good. “trusted sources” on tv told them so.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It is that simple. If you want a threat full of Nazi sympathizers from yesterday you are welcome to check this out https://lemmy.ml/post/33323757

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this doesn't really support your point, posters in an explicitly political thread on a very niche social media platform aren't going to be representative of the average

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago

Average person is going to have a worse opinion. These people know Israel is committing genocide and still support politicians being complicit in it.

Evidence number 2: https://lemmy.ml/post/33383344

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

there are definitely people like that, but i doubt the average person is like this.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

That thread was a tough read. hitler-detector