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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I live in California.

Do you know how many fearful conservatives have told me the place I live in has collapsed into a wasteland of violent criminal chaos? I can only go outside to check and make sure they're wrong so many times before I just have to assume they're fucking idiots.

Reminder that Australia produced the shitstain gutter scum that we call Rupert Murdoch.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Australia also runs concentration camps for refugees on remote islands with practically no legal oversight. The Aborigines were considered part of the local "fauna" until the 1960s.

Australia gets way to less flak for how deeply deeply racist that country is.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel obligated to provide some context here.

Australia certainly is, like most countries, "deeply racist" but exactly what that means and how we compare to other countries is contentious.

Calling immigration detention facilities "concentration camps" is disingenuous and has connotations that dont apply. At last count in 2021 there were 107 residents, all of whom could leave at any time, and were provided multiple resettlement options outside of Australia.

There are criticisms to be made but they are not "concentration camps".

The fauna thing is an obvious myth that doesn't withstand a moments critical though. There's a more comprehensive rebuttal here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

Australia does have deeply embedded tensions around race. They're not easily solvable problems. Are more salient example might be the recent rejection of the voice referendum, but that would take more than a few moments to read and understand.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Calling immigration detention facilities “concentration camps” is disingenuous

Someone hasn't heard of Nauru and the Pacific Solution...

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

The sentence you quoted links the Wikipedia article about the pacific solution, and the paragraph explains why calling them concentration camps is disingenuous. Well done.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 12 points 2 days ago

The reality is not better, but the "fauna" thing is a common myth

[–] match@pawb.social 10 points 2 days ago

up until the 1930s Australia had ships that would kidnap indigenous people to enslave them for plantations in a practice called blackbirding

[–] ExhibiCat@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 days ago

Australia itself was a concentration camp for prisoners just saying ;)

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hey, Kevin said sorry so it's all good now.

Then we had the voice referendum and all the racists came out of the wood work for that one

[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm aboriginal and I voted no.

The way to solve racism isn't to create more destinctions between us. I already have a voice in parliment. I voted for them and they were elected.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm aboriginal and I voted yes, almost all aboriginals in the Northern Territory wanted the voice to go through.

People out in the communities don't get any meaningful representation in Australia.

[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

But that is not an issue unique to one race. Pakastanis who live in the northern territory do not have meaningful representation. Should they get a bespoke group of representatives too? What about Sweedes? Or Brazillians? Or white Australians?

This is a problem with our democracy, not a race problem. Why make it one?

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

So you think newzealand must have it wrong then?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Bro I've spent some time in South Texas and conservatives don't know there has been a border wall since mid 00s.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Everywhere in Cali must look like the beginning of Predator 2. Frankly it's amazing that any infants survive to gang member age.

[–] peregrin5@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

portland here. same issue. i have people who visit that refuse to leave my house because they are terrified of the city. many aren't even conservative and are liberal. propaganda has done it's work well. it's hilarious and sad.